What is so wrong with providing a ID that is accepted every were else?

[togor]

[QUOTE=rayg;621723]

Ray.
Question: where does the GOP love red tape?

A1: at the unemployment claims office.

A2: in the voting booth.

Tell me how needing a ID to vote is red tape!

You've forgotten the time when you didn't need an ID to vote? How many of your ID-less votes were fraudulent?

To your question, say you're a renter, and you move around like many young people do. Every time you move a bonus trip to the DMV, right?

The DMV is the land of red tape, Ray.

Now to you a retiree it seems no burden at all. But I have a kid in IL now, who reports that the DMV there is a hellish experience.

The strategy is to just make it a little bit harder to vote, with the burden falling a little bit heavier on the other side.

Like I have said, my opinion is that the burden of proof falls on the proponents of additional government red tape. As a general principle, for voting or anything else.

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[QUOTE=lyman;621724]

the democrats want no ID so it is no accountability,


show us another country that does not require voter ID

They want less red tape to improve turnout, because they think it's to their political advantage.

The obvious problem with assuming they want easy fraud, is that it could be used against them too.

Seems an obvious point that both sides want verifiable results, so their wins are considered legitimate by the public.

[rayg]

[QUOTE=togor;621726][QUOTE=rayg;621723]

Quote by togor ..You've forgotten the time when you didn't need an ID to vote?

Ray says ...You always try to distract from reality! Keep up! That was many, many years ago! Times and circumstances do change you know!! Oh I forgot!..you do know but you're just trying to change the direction of the subject as you were taught to do!! Lol

[lyman]

DMV is the land of red tape,,,,,,


yet anyone can walk in and get a license

[togor]

Allow me to turn the tables if I may.

I would not consider this forum "pro government red tape". So, does there exist a burden of proof upon those who want to add red tape to the voting process, that it is doing more good than harm? It's usually the liberals who want to take anything that's really important (like gun rights) and register it to death. I don't read accounts here that all FTF sales in every state need to be put to paperwork, on the reasoning that someone needs an ID to buy cigarettes. I've been pretty consistent on this point.

I get that the GOP currently wants more red tape because they think that helps them win elections, and the Democrats want less, for the same reason. But that's now. In 1864 it was the opposite. In the 1980's the GOP was very much pro-registration, anti red tape, and both parties took that view in the aftermath of the 2000 election. My personal opinion is that more participation by the electorate is better than less. So right now the Democrat position is aligned with my own. That's a reality. And I get why the GOP wants the friction there. And yet I can't help but wonder if that could change in a few years, given developments that the GOP is becoming the party of the working class, and the suburbs are starting to flow to the Democrats. Plus Art's posts about successful GOP outreach to minorities in Texas. Point is, if the more transient members of society start shifting towards the GOP, then all of that red tape could come back to bite them. And then if Republicans start slashing voting red tape, I will be cheering them on.

Also, still hoping to read an analysis from Vern, if the 1864 election was rightly decided, and if concerns about voter fraud should have disqualified absentee voting by members of the United States Army. Seems like a topic in his wheelhouse, if he can find the time.

[rayg]

Allow me to turn the tables if I may.

I get that the GOP currently wants more red tape because they think that helps them win elections,

Just cutting through all your mumbo jumbo...How do you get that the GOP wants more red tape when it only wants a valid ID to vote?

[BudT]

Just cutting through all your mumbo jumbo...How do you get that the GOP wants more red tape when it only wants a valid ID to vote?

rayg, quit using moral logic with these guys it's a idea.concept that is impossible for them to grasp, maybe a IQ/education problem but I suspect its genetic more than the previous. Now back to loading some more .45 Schofield ammo for the Smith.

[Roadkingtrax]

Poor grammar is usually the hallmark of non native.

I see moral is the new overused term.

[togor]

Just cutting through all your mumbo jumbo...How do you get that the GOP wants more red tape when it only wants a valid ID to vote?

Trump, bless his heart, admitted it at least once, that without increased restrictions "Republicans would never win another election".

And then there are the several occasions when party operatives, recorded at seminars, explained that this is about winning elections.

Meanwhile, don't you have a burden of proof to meet that all these anri-fraud measures are worth the extra hassle? Arizona says it's not. And every judge so far in every courtroom agrees....no systematic fraud.

[lyman]

Trump, bless his heart, admitted it at least once, that without increased restrictions "Republicans would never win another election".

And then there are the several occasions when party operatives, recorded at seminars, explained that this is about winning elections.

Meanwhile, don't you have a burden of proof to meet that all these anri-fraud measures are worth the extra hassle? Arizona says it's not. And every judge so far in every courtroom agrees....no systematic fraud.

you know the reason he said that was the cheating and widespread ballot harvesting , right??

[Roadkingtrax]

Cyber Ninjas won't release their audit results. The Maricopa audit was clearly nothing but a data grab.

It's a complete joke.

[rayg]

These lefties on this forum that are fed what to post by the DNC are a joke!

[Roadkingtrax]

These lefties on this forum that are fed what to post by the DNC are a joke!

I have no problem presenting ID for voting.

Are you just stirring trouble where there isn't?

[togor]

you know the reason he said that was the cheating and widespread ballot harvesting , right??

He said lots of things.

Not all of them were in line with the cover story. That's one of his few charms, that he occasionally goes off-script.

I was raised on 1950's Conservatism, the heady stuff that converted Ronald Reagan. No way does that philosophy hold that step #1 in defending our system of government is make a stop at the DMV. The very idea would have them spinning in their graves!

But like I said, times change. In the 1950's, voting red tape was very much a thing. Particularly in some states long run by Democrats.

I'm opposed to election red tape beyond whatever minimum is PROVEN necessary to get an honest tally.

And I'm still hoping, probably in vain, that Vernon will squeeze us in and give us his take on absentee balloting for Union troops in the 1864 election.

[BudT]

These lefties on this forum that are fed what to post by the DNC are a joke!

I guess with all that feeding they are able to hold a lot of crap for a long time to. Ya that's it, they are full of it.