Drone video shows Russian tank opening fire on a lone cyclist

[rayg]

Blaming him again huh!

[rayg]

if he had any situational awareness, then he may have survived

Still blaming him huh! Walking on one street, how would you know what's happening on the next street until you turn on it?

[Vern Humphrey]

if he had any situational awareness, then he may have survived

Still blaming him huh! Walking on one street, how would you know what's happening on the next street until you turn on it?

In his situation I would have waited for someone else to turn that corner -- or carried a mirror with me.

[lyman]

Blaming him again huh!

not sure who you directed this too,,,,,


but as I believe I said, not blaming anyone,

he was in the wrong place, wrong time, and maybe (again, if he was paying attention,) escaped,

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if he had any situational awareness, then he may have survived

Still blaming him huh! Walking on one street, how would you know what's happening on the next street until you turn on it?

are you blind?

you are and ex cop, correct?


think about that for a moment,


now, what's the first thing you teach people about threat recognition and survival,, whether you are driving, waking in the neighborhood, or even if Russia decides to invade your city,


maybe, just maybe, keep you head on a swivel and eyes alert,


right?

[rayg]

I guess all we really know is that he is was killed and probably didn't know the Russian's had arrived!

[Major Tom]

So you are arguing that Russian armor on Ukrainian streets mowing down anyone is just another day at the office, because someone could have a NLAW in their pocket, apparently. Does this explain why "hearts and minds" were so hard to win in Vietnam?

What the hell do you know about Vietnam tactics or motives? I was there! 1966-67

[togor]

What the hell do you know about Vietnam tactics or motives? I was there! 1966-67

I know you were. And notice I asked a question about VN. I didn't make an assertion.

I'll rephrase--was it standard practice in VN for US Army personnel to shoot civilians on sight in combat situations? You were there. I was not.

[rayg]

I know you were. And notice I asked a question about VN. I didn't make an assertion.

I'll rephrase--was it standard practice in VN for US Army personnel to shoot civilians on sight in combat situations? You were there. I was not.

Good question and the answer was NO!

[Vern Humphrey]

It is a point of pride to us that our tankers are trained to shoot first -- battle studies show that the chances of survival for the one who shoots first go up dramatically.

Now the clip doesn't show what was in the gunner's mind -- but neither does it show he deliberately killed a civillian.

[rayg]

It is a point of pride to us that our tankers are trained to shoot first -- battle studies show that the chances of survival for the one who shoots first go up dramatically.

Now the clip doesn't show what was in the gunner's mind -- but neither does it show he deliberately killed a civillian.

Yes! shoot first before the enemy tank does...but not at a lone civilian walking his bike!

[togor]

Good question and the answer was NO!

I believe you!

And so I do not accept the argument that Ukrainian civilians shot on sight by Russians are to be blamed for their own deaths!

The most that can be said is....if you have Russian troops in your town, expect the worst from them at all times! But people have to eat, need water, etc.

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Yes! shoot first before the enemy tank does...but not at a lone civilian walking his bike!

Once again Ray hits the X-ring!!

[Vern Humphrey]

Yes! shoot first before the enemy tank does...but not at a lone civilian walking his bike!

And how do you know he's a lone civilian, unarmed, in the blink of an eye before he shoots you?

[togor]

And how do you know he's a lone civilian, unarmed, in the blink of an eye before he shoots you?

What kept you from shooting every VN civilian that you saw? Whatever that was, it is the answer to your own question.