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  • rayg
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 7444

    #16
    Togar said "That pipeline has nothing to do with US oil production" Get your facts straight.

    Ray says...It certainly would have affected the availably and cost of oil for the US. But Biden's big supporter, who happened to be the owner of a trucking company that drove oil down from Canada, of course did not want the pipe line that would run from Canada to the US. So the first thing Biden did on day one was to prevent the construction of the pipe line as a political favor...And that's a fact Jack! Lol
    Last edited by rayg; 05-28-2022, 06:47.

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    • dryheat
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2009
      • 10587

      #17
      Nice to hear someone describe how things work instead of; It was really cold at my house last week. Even Oxygen that we all know and love can be poisonous.

      Trump did something that impeded oil production/transport? Doesn't sound like something he'd do.
      Last edited by dryheat; 05-28-2022, 07:19.
      If I should die before I wake...great,a little more sleep.

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      • togor
        Banned
        • Nov 2009
        • 17610

        #18
        Originally posted by rayg
        Togar said "That pipeline has nothing to do with US oil production" Get your facts straight.

        Ray says...It certainly would have affected the availably and cost of oil for the US. But Biden's big supporter, who happened to be the owner of a trucking company that drove oil down from Canada, of course did not want the pipe line that would run from Canada to the US. So the first thing Biden did on day one was to prevent the construction of the pipe line as a political favor...And that's a fact Jack! Lol
        Ray the Canadian tar petroleum extraction is about as carbon intensive a process as there is. To do anything with it you have to heat it like crazy. Can you understand why that is bad for the planet? Or are you just locked into a set of talking points?

        It's always "screw the environment 24/7" around here. Nobody actually gives a sh*t about the ecology of the planet that sustains them. Like all the astronauts say.....hey this is our only home, we should start acting like we understand that.

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        • togor
          Banned
          • Nov 2009
          • 17610

          #19
          Originally posted by dryheat
          Nice to hear someone describe how things work instead of; It was really cold at my house last week. Even Oxygen that we all know and love can be poisonous.

          Trump did something that impeded oil production/transport? Doesn't sound like something he'd do.


          See the levels for yourself. During the entire Trump administration, except for a few months in early 2020 when the industry was begging to find storage, they have been steadily drawing down the inventory.

          At least Biden knows to buy low and sell high, and he's selling now to backfill demand in an industry that would rather have high prices/profits than drill.

          Yes it's true than Trump's interior department wanted to open up the few remaining pristine areas to drilling, but that's just a city boy (Trump) placing no value on wilderness. If he can't golf there, put a hotel there, get there by jet, then it's a complete f*cking waste.

          Trump is hands down the most anti-environmental President we've seen to date. He hates any regulations that protect air, groundwater, wildlife, you name it.

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          • dryheat
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2009
            • 10587

            #20
            Someone I was watching was talking about the description "undeveloped". To business that means wreck something that was already nice.
            If I should die before I wake...great,a little more sleep.

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            • rayg
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2009
              • 7444

              #21
              Originally posted by togor
              Ray the Canadian tar petroleum extraction is about as carbon intensive a process as there is. To do anything with it you have to heat it like crazy. Can you understand why that is bad for the planet? Or are you just locked into a set of talking points?

              It's always "screw the environment 24/7" around here. Nobody actually gives a sh*t about the ecology of the planet that sustains them. Like all the astronauts say.....hey this is our only home, we should start acting like we understand that.
              And how much air pollution would all those numerous trucks or even a train to transport the oil all the way down to drop it off to where the refinery is located in the US, in what ever state it may be located in? It was a political deal pure and simple!
              I believe it was said that the owner of the trucking line or investor was a big campaign money giver to the Biden campaign!
              Last edited by rayg; 05-28-2022, 11:14.

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              • Johnny P
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2009
                • 6259

                #22
                I hate the high fuel prices as much as anyone, but if that is what it takes to get rid of the democrats in November it will at least be worth it.

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                • RED
                  Very Senior Member - OFC
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 11689

                  #23
                  Beating the propaganda drum is old hat to ourgor!

                  None of his nonsense is defendable. The strategic petroleum reserve is always up and down and is affected by a myriad of factors. Look at 2007 and 2020 and the numbers are not significantly different, however the the COVID made things a lot different

                  No matter what happens the propagandists will fault anything or everything to their slant. Not one damn time have these twist and turn snakes ever been wrong according to them. Outright proven lies are continuing to be spread knowingly and with malice.

                  The economy and inflation is purposely wiping out the workers and the American dream. The progressives want to tear down every historic achievement of the past 200 years so North America can be rebuilt into their utopian dream world. The words United States is nowhere to found in their dictionary along with him and her.

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                  • Roadkingtrax
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2010
                    • 7835

                    #24
                    Originally posted by RED
                    Beating the propaganda drum is old hat to ourgor!

                    None of his nonsense is defendable. The strategic petroleum reserve is always up and down and is affected by a myriad of factors. Look at 2007 and 2020 and the numbers are not significantly different, however the the COVID made things a lot different

                    No matter what happens the propagandists will fault anything or everything to their slant. Not one damn time have these twist and turn snakes ever been wrong according to them. Outright proven lies are continuing to be spread knowingly and with malice.

                    The economy and inflation is purposely wiping out the workers and the American dream. The progressives want to tear down every historic achievement of the past 200 years so North America can be rebuilt into their utopian dream world. The words United States is nowhere to found in their dictionary along with him and her.
                    So...how was the movie?
                    "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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                    • RED
                      Very Senior Member - OFC
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 11689

                      #25
                      I did not have to go to the movie. I went to the real thing. A 50th reunion of the US Navy FITRON 31 in Washington DC. I had dinner with a retired Admiral and his wife. There were 44 fighter pilots there that flew thousands of combat sorties. I reconnected with many pilots that I flew with and are still friends after 50 years.

                      BTW, the retired Admiral, Jim Flatley, commented that the DC reunion had never been topped with exception of perhaps the Yorktown reunion a few years ago. Look him up. He landed and took off the carrier Forrestal, 29 times in a C -130.

                      Another pilot friend, Al Cisneros, flew combat with my squadron, then 3 tours with the Blue Angels, call sign Taco.

                      https://photos.app.goo.gl/Vs7HKSS5tsrsKoaY6
                      Last edited by RED; 05-28-2022, 03:26.

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                      • Vern Humphrey
                        Administrator - OFC
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 15875

                        #26
                        Originally posted by RED
                        I did not have to go to the movie. I went to the real thing. A 50th reunion of the US Navy FITRON 31 in Washington DC. I had dinner with a retired Admiral and his wife. There were 44 fighter pilots there that flew thousands of combat sorties. I reconnected with many pilots that I flew with and are still friends after 50 years.

                        BTW, the retired Admiral, Jim Flatley, commented that the DC reunion had never been topped with exception of perhaps the Yorktown reunion a few years ago. Look him up. He landed and took off the carrier Forrestal, 29 times in a C -130.

                        Another pilot friend, Al Cisneros, flew combat with my squadron, then 3 tours with the Blue Angels, call sign Taco.

                        Kiss my Petunia!
                        You realize you're talking to a man who has never heard a shot fired in anger, and thinks he knows all about combat?

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                        • Allen
                          Moderator
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 10583

                          #27
                          Originally posted by RED
                          BTW, the retired Admiral, Jim Flatley, commented that the DC reunion had never been topped with exception of perhaps the Yorktown reunion a few years ago. Look him up. He landed and took off the carrier Forrestal, 29 times in a C -130.
                          Wow, that would be almost like the Doolitle raid except a C-130 is even larger than those B-25's. Were jato bottles used for take-off?

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                          • RED
                            Very Senior Member - OFC
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 11689

                            #28
                            No? look it up on google. C-130 on USS Forestal will get you there.

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                            • Allen
                              Moderator
                              • Sep 2009
                              • 10583

                              #29
                              Originally posted by RED
                              No? look it up on google. C-130 on USS Forestal will get you there.
                              I see no mention of the bottles and the plane was able to land with no hook. The wingspan is nearly double that of those B-25's and the deck had to be cleared for take-off/landing. Says a lot about the plane and pilot.
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                              • Roadkingtrax
                                Senior Member
                                • Feb 2010
                                • 7835

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Vern Humphrey
                                You realize you're talking to a man who has never heard a shot fired in anger, and thinks he knows all about combat?
                                You seem to hold non-veterans in extreme contempt.

                                I wonder when you lost your bid for public office, how much of your campaign was based on your military service and how that made you a person of better character to represent those you seemed to hold in such low regard?
                                "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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