Would you ever call a locsl cop or 911 for help?

[RED]

[QUOTE=rayg;635601]

That is the problem. Here, you can not have a ambulance or EMT come to your wreck or your home until the cops clear the area of weapons or explosives. That may take anywhere from 30 minutes to 12 hours.

I recently had a fall in my house that caused arterial bleeding. I called 911 and asked for EMTS or an ambulance. Instead they sent 4 cops to remove weapons and explosives to ensure the safety of the medics.

Per your number 3 post, the only way I can see how that would happen would be if your name was flagged to use caution possibly from some past contacts or that it was not you that was named or a mistake!

No Ray, you are wrong. When you call 911 here you are not talking to a cop, or a EMT. You are talking to a minimum wage untrained flunkie. And it is SOP that the ambulance will not be sent until the emergency is verified. They send a cop when available or a fire truck if a cop is not available.

A neighboring town just fired a 911 operator because a man had a heart attack and his wife called 911, three times. The operator told her he needed proof the patient would agree to go to the hospital and she replied he can not sign anything, HE IS DYING!

No ambulance was sent but a hearse was.

BTW, I have never driven a truck bigger than a Ford 150, so please do not call me a truck driver.

[rayg]

I don't think a flunkie would be able to handle a dispatchers job! They handle life and death and all kinds of emergency calls.

[RED]

I don't think a flunkie would be able to handle a dispatchers job! They handle life and death and all kinds of emergency calls.

Ok, 911 operators are great people doing great jobs!

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna31821

https://www.ems1.com/911/articles/houston-dispatcher-sentenced-for-hanging-up-on-thousands-of-callers-pLgwV8f7giunNQa2/

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/12/23/us/arkansas-woman-drowned-911-responder-not-charged-trnd/index.html

https://wjla.com/amp/features/i-team/dc-911-emergency-police-washington-call-center-karima-holmes-district-ems-bowser-contee-officer-audit-paramedic-david-griffin-statter

https://communicationsdaily.com/article/2020/11/19/dc-911-incidents-show-stress-errors-in-emergencies-2011130053

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/08/591802721/officers-shot-in-missouri-1-fatally-were-sent-to-the-wrong-address

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/new-mistakes-at-dcs-911-call-center-brings-call-for-more-oversight.amp

[togor]

I think the point here RED is that forum members in, *ahem*, other parts of the country, cannot confirm what you are reporting about police response and firearms confiscations being a standard part of 911 emergency medical calls. Make of that what you will.

As far as dispatchers blowing it. There are a lot of dispatchers and a zillion recorded calls. With the internet it's not hard to find the bad ones, but as a percentage these are very very low. But if you look I bet the internet will also have recordings of fantastic jobs done by dispatchers too. People tend to find what they're looking for on the internet.

[lyman]

well, I can confirm here in Va, if you call in a Medical Emergency, chances are a Firetruck will get there first,
in my area we have volunteer Ambulance services, paid services and City / County services,
the paid services mostly shuttle folks around from home, or nursing home/care facilities to hospitals etc
the Volunteer and County/City will show if they are available, depending on how close , sometimes before or after the Fire Dept,

sounds complicated, but overall out Counties and City folks do a good job,

[rayg]

Good post Togie...

In the agency I worked there were were 26 dispatchers responsible for thousands of calls over three shifts and probably there were maybe only about less then 1 percent of them were there some problems involving a dispatcher'
Red you really don't know what you are talking about just because you took time to look up and post a few bad incidents of over millions and millions of calls!

[RED]

The whole truth is in the rural midwest and south, bullying and out and out thievery by the police is common. How does a town with 250 people afford a police department of 4 cops? How does a town of 17,000 afford 45 City cops plus another 5 or 10 peace officers (Judge, Prosecutors, bailiffs, etc). It is easy, every 10th car that passes through with an out of State plate gets to pay a $248 donation to the local gangsters. If you live in Chicago and get a ticket in Curryville MO, would you drive 500 miles to plead not guilty?

OH, BTW. I was in a left turn lane at a stoplight that did not have a left turn arrow. I sat thru 2 cycles and then there was a city cop in the opposite through lane. When the light turned green he didn?t move and gave me a little wave so I made the turn. He stopped me and wrote a failure to yield ticket. The fine was $248. My insurance went up $300/6 months for 3 years. A $2,048 gift from a guy in blue that is Ray and tog?s hero

[Vern Humphrey]

When I was stationed at Fort Benning, I had a friend who lived in Talbotton. Talbotton really needed a stop light but couldn't afford one. One morning he came in and said, "We're gonna git our stoplight!"

"John, I thought y'all couldn't afford a stop light."

"Last night, we caught a Yankee!"

[barretcreek]

Summer I got out of HS was working in warehouse. Supervisor grew up in Dalton, hair got long enough to lie down time for haircut. Like to tease me about my future, asked him what was the best job he had. County Sheriff in Georgia time I was born.
'Wud'it pay?'
'Dolluh a year'.
?????
Moved the cigar stub over. 'Evah hear of a speed trap? Two to the county, one to the judge, next to the sheriff last to the deputy. I hear of some New Yorker made it through the county without contributing there was trouble'.

[togor]

The whole truth is in the rural midwest and south, bullying and out and out thievery by the police is common. How does a town with 250 people afford a police department of 4 cops? How does a town of 17,000 afford 45 City cops plus another 5 or 10 peace officers (Judge, Prosecutors, bailiffs, etc). It is easy, every 10th car that passes through with an out of State plate gets to pay a $248 donation to the local gangsters. If you live in Chicago and get a ticket in Curryville MO, would you drive 500 miles to plead not guilty?

OH, BTW. I was in a left turn lane at a stoplight that did not have a left turn arrow. I sat thru 2 cycles and then there was a city cop in the opposite through lane. When the light turned green he didn?t move and gave me a little wave so I made the turn. He stopped me and wrote a failure to yield ticket. The fine was $248. My insurance went up $300/6 months for 3 years. A $2,048 gift from a guy in blue that is Ray and tog?s hero

You missed my post about the chickensh*t ticket I got in 2020 I see. They're not all heroes and they're not all villains.

Your stories though remind me of the Ferguson, MO case of some years ago, what came out about the department finances afterwards. Still a justified shooting though.

[rayg]

Red as I recall in a number of your past posts you said that you had received a number of tickets that you didn't deserve! I guess all I can say then is sorry but you must have bad luck when driving to attract all those bad tickets!

[lyman]

Colonial Heights, which used to be nicknamed Colonial Whites (due to some real estate and town management that kept the colored folks out of town) is known and has been known to be a speed trap,

if it is posted at 35,, you might get away with 36,, but not 37,,

had a kid work for me years ago, he moved back to NC to be near family,
his brother was a police man in a small town,
for every ticket he wrote, he got a dollar towards his retirement fund, (in addition to the normal retirement benny's)

he wrote a lot of tickets

[rayg]

I'm sure this was many years ago and probably was not uncommon in small towns...But in the past 30 plus years ago things changed when states instituted mandatory law enforce certification training for all law enforcement officers in the state. Which led to more professional policing

[dryheat]

I think the point here RED is that forum members in, *ahem*, other parts of the country, cannot confirm what you are reporting about police response and firearms confiscations being a standard part of 911 emergency medical calls. Make of that what you will.

As far as dispatchers blowing it. There are a lot of dispatchers and a zillion recorded calls. With the internet it's not hard to find the bad ones, but as a percentage these are very very low. But if you look I bet the internet will also have recordings of fantastic jobs done by dispatchers too. People tend to find what they're looking for on the internet.

Well done Togor. There are mistakes made. Mistakes in hiring. Happens in every business. I worked with guys and gals that I know management rued the day they every hired them. Maybe even me, but they kind of liked me.
Poor Red, nothing but bad luck. Somehow he didn't get the memo that Covid was(sort of)over and it was time to get back on board and buy a new plate. Something we all do every freaking year. One thing after another. But hey, if you live in a small town you hope thawt the local police would give an old guy a break. There's no profit in that, so watch your p's and q's. If they are screwing with a white guy, imagine how they screw with the rest? Hey Red, here's a tip: Put some kind of document in your wallet that pertains to VA or something patriotic. Just flashing that can help sometimes. Never get argumentive, that's childish and makes for fun for the cop. I heard a cop tell a story about how he "straightened out" a punk who got mouthy. Good ending: He threw his hat on the hood and told the kid, OK, you take the first shot(punch). Kid backed down of course. White kid. The blacks never know when to shut up.

[RED]

didn't get the memo that Covid was(sort of)over and it was time to get back on board and buy a new plate. Something we all do every freaking year. One thing after another.

Come on dryheat? a 78 year old senior forgot to do something involving a $3.00 piece of paper and get hits with a $248 fine. If you think that is justice? I hope the next time you forget to return a $3.00 book to the library, you get life without parole.