If you give it all to Zelensky, you'll have none left ...

[dogtag]

Or maybe it's the government cutting the military budget year after year.
Whatever the reason, the British Army has run desperately short of what
the liberals call "bullets".
First it was Howitzers, and tanks are in short supply and God knows what else.
This is not a good time for the Army to come up empty. Hopefully the Navy
and Air Force are better off, but I wouldn't count on it, what with the idiotic
Boris wanting the government to give Zelensky jets.
Zelensky eats up equipment faster than Whales eat up shrimp

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1732624/british-army-run-out-of-ammunition-outgunned-defence-spending-putin-ukraine

[rayg]

So what you are implying is that we should quit supplying Ukraine and let Russia win, right!

[Major Tom]

So what you are implying is that we should quit supplying Ukraine and let Russia win, right!

In the 20th century we suffered two world wars. What we need is a world war for the 21st century? A Lie-den (biden) quote "Come on man! It's not a joke!"

[dogtag]

So what you are implying is that we should quit supplying Ukraine and let Russia win, right!

You regard Zelensky as a hero but he's not. he's a despot, a dictator, he's
brought ruin on his country and misery on his people because there was
no need for this stupid war in the first place. All he had to do was to stop
his NATO pleading. NATO had no intention of accepting Ukraine and he knew it.

[rayg]

So you blame Zelensky for being invaded and his country being ruined and not Russia?

[Major Tom]

I also blame Biden! Lack of decisive leadership gave us this 'war'!

[rayg]

You didn't answer my question directly about blaming Zelensky for being invaded!

[rayg]

Or maybe it's the government cutting the military budget year after year.
Whatever the reason, the British Army has run desperately short of what
the liberals call "bullets".
First it was Howitzers, and tanks are in short supply and God knows what else.
This is not a good time for the Army to come up empty. Hopefully the Navy
and Air Force are better off, but I wouldn't count on it, what with the idiotic
Boris wanting the government to give Zelensky jets.
Zelensky eats up equipment faster than Whales eat up shrimp

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/17...-putin-ukraine

You didn't answer my question of so you are implying that we should quit supplying Ukraine and let Russia win, right!

[Major Tom]

Rayg, come on man! More and more people are becoming opposed to this 'biden war'. Biden's collusion and money laundering scheme with Ukraine started this whole mess! The Eastern half of Ukraine was always 90% Russian people. Dictator Zewlinsky wanted it all and found a corrupt Senator and his son to back him!

[rayg]

Ok... but you still didn't my question, do you think we should quit helping Ukraine and let the Russians take over? I can't tell by your posts what you think! I'm just looking for your opinion as it is not too clear what you feel we should do in your posts! Keeping in mind our opinions are just that, opinions and they don't affect anything as they are just conversations! Lol

[Mark in Ottawa]

The West cannot let Putin win in Ukraine. Just remember the Munich Accord with Hitler. It would be Ukraine today; the Baltic Republics tomorrow; Poland next week and then the coronation of Putin as Czar Putin the first, the man who recreated the old Russian Empire.

In a purely practical and even cynical and self-serving view, it is better to arm Ukraine and let Ukraine take the casualties than to see NATO countries take the casualties.

[Allen]

We need to do what we did in WWll and switch all manufacturing to weapons and other military needs. Supplying the Ukraine is one thing. Letting our own stock reduce is another. We have China eagerly waiting for just the right opportunity to pounce.

Right now we need higher than usual military reserves, not lower.

[bruce]

Right now, no one is signing up for the military except those who have no real alternatives. Tough to say, but very few individuals are willing to sign on for low pay and hard conditions with maybe the prospect of training that is relevant to civilian life. Most folks are going to go for the best money making career they can seek. That's just human nature. It is ludicrous to think that America is going to go on a bullets and bombs manufacturing priority while accepting a beans and coffee life style. The Greatest Generation did not willingly do any of this, not until the Japanese Pearl Harbor snafu gave FDR the opportunity to go full in ... first in Europe and then of course the Pacific.

If we are to have higher military reserves, using volunteer manpower, then it's going to cost more in salaries, benefits, etc. It's going to require draft age men to be inducted ... regardless of their plans for college, career, etc. It's going to require the same does of reality for women of draft age. And, it's going to have to be applied in exactly the same degree all the way from the sons and daughters of senators and congressmen and even presidents right on down through the sons and daughters of lobbiests, state and local politicians, local officials on local draft boards, and even the boys and girls who are in the high school and college farm teams that supply the various sports enterprises. In fact, it's going to have to be applied even to the folks who are in the various STEM tracks, the folks who are on the arts and drama tracks, and obviously the folks who live in tiny houses and even section eight housing.

Now, the current occupant of the white house is hardly the man who can make this sell to the American people. His own cabal of supporters would try to lynch him before Republicans could even start impeachment proceedings. No, its going to take something significant to get Americans to focus on working together rather than merely looking out for their own personal interest and expecting everyone else to take care of themselves. It's going to take a shared commitment to our national interest. Right now, that is no sale to anyone in the 1%, 10%, 25% much less the seldom employed or never employed. JMHO. YMMV. Sincerely. bruce.

[Allen]

Reserves usually does mean people but I was speaking about numbers of planes, tanks, ammo, MRE's, uniforms, supplies much of which we could sell cheap or give to other nations to fight for us like we are doing now for the Ukraine and soon to be Taiwan.

Reserves as in personnel only means nothing w/o adequate munitions. We are exhausting ours and the UK much more so.

[dogtag]

Yes, stop supplying Zelensky with weapons. If we don't the war will
go on and on and on and may drag more countries in.
If we stop Zelensky will have to accept a peace deal which will probably
give Russia the Crimea (which she had anyway) and free the rest of
Ukraine. Then Zelensky can begin his pleading for bulldozers and cranes.