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  • dogtag
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2009
    • 14985

    #1

    The senseless slaughter continues unabated ...

    with huge casualties on both sides mounting. And it's
    going to get even worse when Russia launches it's
    new offensive. And all the while we keep feeding it
    instead of trying to stop it. A peace deal needs to
    be brokered by somebody as it's getting harder to
    keep up with Zelensky's insatiable appetite for weapons
    which are getting used up faster than can be supplied.
    If the West doesn't want Russia to win then they'd
    better get their heads together before it's too late and
    end it somehow.

  • Major Tom
    Very Senior Member - OFC
    • Aug 2009
    • 6181

    #2
    Corruption runs the Ukraine war plain and simple! Biden is the leading cause of it all! Where did all the billions of cash go? It wasn't all weapons Zewlinsky got! Ever wonder why Zewlinski's "palace" never gets bombed?

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    • Mark in Ottawa
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2009
      • 1744

      #3
      Its all very well to say that a peace deal needs to be brokered but the only deal that Putin can now accept is complete victory and that is an unacceptable position.

      The Russians are using tactics that are similar to the ones that they used in WWII. That is; send in the penal battalions to get slaughtered as a way to tire out the Ukrainians and then send in fresh troops. Their assumption is that they can eventually overwhelm the smaller Ukrainian army. The only was to counter that approach is with lots of artillery and by hitting the Russian sensitive targets and to do that they Ukrainians need western help

      Note that if Putin wins here, there will be other targets later including the Baltic States and Poland. Just remember Hitler and the Munich accord

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      • bruce
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2009
        • 3759

        #4
        If the West doesn't want Russia to win then they'd
        better get their heads together before it's too late and
        end it somehow.

        So ... force Ukraine to accept russian expansion at their expense? How in the world do you sell that? Hum? Shades of Chamberlain! If this was not actual real life, I'd say that "end it somehow" stuff was straight out of the Twilight Zone!

        About the best thing democratic nation states can do is keep putting weapons into the hands of Ukranian men who will use those weapons to kill russian invaders. That is the one and only thing that will do anything at all to stop putin. Anything else is just enabling him and his cabal to keep right on doing as they please ... at the expense of anyone who gets in their way. Sincerely. bruce.
        " Unlike most conservatives, libs have no problem exploiting dead children and dancing on their graves."

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        • rayg
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2009
          • 7444

          #5
          I agree!

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          • Vern Humphrey
            Administrator - OFC
            • Aug 2009
            • 15875

            #6
            The way to end it is to help the Ukrainians beat the Russians. Which I'm hoping will happen, including taking back the Crimea.

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            • rayg
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2009
              • 7444

              #7
              Yes!

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              • dogtag
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2009
                • 14985

                #8
                You guys will fight to the last Ukrainian

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                • rayg
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 7444

                  #9
                  Yes much better then fighting to the last American!

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                  • Vern Humphrey
                    Administrator - OFC
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 15875

                    #10
                    Originally posted by rayg
                    Yes much better then fighting to the last American!
                    Amen!

                    And the Ukrainians have a REASON to fight -- it's THEIR country. And they're NOT begging for us to do their fighting for them.

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