I'll bet Gimme Gimme Zelensky is hopping mad ...

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  • dogtag
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2009
    • 14985

    #1

    I'll bet Gimme Gimme Zelensky is hopping mad ...

    being reduced to playing second fiddle.
    His war is no longer the most important war and
    his unquenchable thirst for ammo and weapons
    might now get squeezed or even quenched.
    His war got boring.
  • S.A. Boggs
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 8568

    #2
    I am no friend of the Ruskies and I have to agree on Dogtags statement. There is thieving in war, that is a given. My question is how much we have sent was/is not going to it's taxpayer purpose. If nothing more was sent I would expect Ukraine to survive, perhaps make an "accommodation" with Putin. Half a loaf is better than none and Amecia should not be expected to continue to be the "free" armory of the world. Ukraine is in Europe's bailiwick, why not have them step up for the lion's share instead of us?
    Sam

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    • Allen
      Moderator
      • Sep 2009
      • 10583

      #3
      From day one my comments were yes let's help the Ukraine by giving them surplus and aging weapons and ammo, not money, and certainly not our latest and greatest technology.

      Now, a very corrupt and non-Nato country has all we have to offer leaving us and our allies largely depleted. If and when we help Israel it will strain us to be able to defend our own country against the likes of China and/or Mexico. Our allies will not be able to help us much if any.

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      • JohnMOhio
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2009
        • 1545

        #4
        With all the illegals coming, how many are who they say they are. They seem to be arriving from all parts of the world and many of those places are known to be hot beds of cultures and political adversaries of our country. It is an easy way to infiltrate, then cause havoc within our borders. Possibly to the point we see going on now. What then? Marshall Law or do we have to carry our weapons and a 100 rounds just to go to the store? In many places our citizens are already prey.
        Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.
        Author unkown.

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        • Allen
          Moderator
          • Sep 2009
          • 10583

          #5
          Originally posted by JohnMOhio
          With all the illegals coming, how many are who they say they are. They seem to be arriving from all parts of the world and many of those places are known to be hot beds of cultures and political adversaries of our country. It is an easy way to infiltrate, then cause havoc within our borders. Possibly to the point we see going on now. What then? Marshall Law or do we have to carry our weapons and a 100 rounds just to go to the store? In many places our citizens are already prey.
          That's why I included Mexico as a threat. The invasion going on needs to be seen as an act of war.

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          • JohnMOhio
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2009
            • 1545

            #6
            This is a what if question. Assume Trump gets elected and reinstates what Biden has changed. Then Trump gets other things going and America is back on the right track. His four years are up. Has anyone other than us at the bottom of the pile learned from these corrections/leadership. Will the next person elected from either party follow through with the progress Trump may make?
            Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.
            Author unkown.

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            • rayg
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2009
              • 7444

              #7
              Well there is more to it then just helping Ukraine! From day one we were afraid to confront Russia because they had the bomb! But thinking about it, they may have the bomb but so do many of the NATO countries so it would be just suicide for them to use one. For us to back down now would be foolish! And from what I have read, Ukraine has taken some big steps to rid of the corruption as it wants to join NATO! The war is costing Russia big time and it is losing face as a super power as well as world reputation! My guess it that Russia will soon tire of supporting a loosing situation/war there and will eventually withdraw from the areas they took over! I'm sure the other countries in the area are hoping Ukraine will keep fighting and win as they are providing Ukraine with help!
              Last edited by rayg; 10-09-2023, 06:39.

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              • dogtag
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2009
                • 14985

                #8
                The carrot of Socialism aka Communism is attractive to
                those who cannot or will not think for themselves. What the
                socialists offer is tempting; Free housing, medical care, food,
                a guaranteed income, free tuition and retirement bliss.
                Hard to resist as long as you don't ask questions about how
                all this gets paid for. The question probably doesn't even
                enter their heads.

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                • Allen
                  Moderator
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 10583

                  #9
                  As far as joining the UN what the Ukraine is doing now should be been done many years ago. They saw Georgia being taken back, then they lost the Crimea. Instead, they stayed corrupt, (2nd or 3rd most corrupt in Europe I believe I read), didn't want to spend the money to be a part of the UN if invited and now they have become so dependent upon our handouts that the people started complaining when the GOP wanted to cut $ (not weapons) going to them in the latest budget talks. Sounds like our own welfare bunch to me.

                  Bomb? We all have them and I think countries that threaten to use them know they have nukes aimed at them too.
                  Last edited by Allen; 10-09-2023, 07:20.

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                  • RED
                    Very Senior Member - OFC
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 11689

                    #10
                    What we need to understand. The muslims are savages, animals, and butchers. Not unique in socialist, communist countries, China, Russia, and the American Democratic's are all examples of radicalism.

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                    • Allen
                      Moderator
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 10583

                      #11
                      It has begun. The U.S. must have had quite a stash close by.

                      The U.S. has already begun delivering critically needed munitions and military equipment to Israel, the White House said Monday, as the Pentagon reviews its inventories to see what else can be sent qu...

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                      • Major Tom
                        Very Senior Member - OFC
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 6181

                        #12
                        Why we are supporting a dictator aka comedian is beyond me! A large chunk of the billions sent to him made its way back to you know who!

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                        • rayg
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 7444

                          #13
                          We are supporting a dictator who wants to join NATO and in order to do so he must clean up and of his political and graft problem. I believe he has taken some steps to do so. In any case his small country has done more to weaken Russia then any other country recently has done. Also keep in mind Russia is not our friend and they would bury us if it was at all possible. I think the saying is that The enemy of my enemy is my friend, And as such we should support our friend.

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                          • dogtag
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2009
                            • 14985

                            #14
                            What was the money we sent Zelensky supposed to buy ?
                            Weapons, ammo ?
                            If that's what it was used for then we have been the sole
                            supplier of weaponry. We gave it, NATO sold it in exchange
                            for the Dollars we donated.
                            Needless to say, much of the money went into Zelensky
                            and others' bank accounts.

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                            • rayg
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 7444

                              #15
                              Originally posted by dogtag
                              What was the money we sent Zelensky supposed to buy ?
                              Weapons, ammo ?
                              If that's what it was used for then we have been the sole
                              supplier of weaponry. We gave it, NATO sold it in exchange
                              for the Dollars we donated.
                              Needless to say, much of the money went into Zelensky
                              and others' bank accounts.
                              Please explain this part...We gave it, "NATO sold it in exchange
                              for the Dollars we donated"

                              Also proof of this remark.. "much of the money went into Zelensky
                              and others' bank accounts."

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