The Silence is Deafening

[PhillipM]

I've asked it before and,having received no reasonable answer,I will ask it again.WHERE ELSE IN NATURE[the animal kingdom]IS HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR NORMAL? It is deviant,perverse and repulsive to God and man.All of this "coming out" crap is a reinforcement of what is essentially wrong.Nick

Cows are homosexual. I used to work on a dairy farm and the easiest job was to go watch for signs of heat. If cow A gets mounted by cow B and cow A stands still, cow A is in heat and possibly cow B too. If cow A runs away, cow B is in heat. We did all artificial insemination which is why I had to go watch, that way we would know when to do the deed.

I never saw it but was told at the bull sperm companies, Select Sires, and American Breeders Service, they had teaser bulls for the sires to mount while a guy with a very, very bad job collected the semen.

[Weasel]

I thought that we were at least one level above the animal kingdom.

[emmagee1917]

I thought that we were at least one level above the animal kingdom.

Three thousand and five hundred years ago , God gave us ten guidlines for a happier life. Can anyone say , that in all this time , even one is no longer a challange ?
Chris

[Nick Riviezzo]

PhillipM, I think you can see deer,steers and most any wild animal play fighting and mounting each other as "practice" and learned behavior but I don't think they adopt that deviant behavior when time comes to actually mate.I don't believe they stand around in groups and lick and mount each other for pleasure.Just my NOT SO HUMBLE opinion. Nick

[Ron James]

The last unit I was a First Sgt. had over 250 enlisted. This was in Korea and thank god there were separate quarters for the women ( ask me some time about the problems they caused ). How are you going to quarter these " alternate lifestyle" people. You can't put two gay guys in the same room. If you put a straight and a gay in the same room the straight will kill the gay . Plus all the Congressional caused by mommies learning her son is rooming with a deviant! Every day details are enough to drive a First Sgt. to strong drink with out this hassle. I served 27 good years in the army, I'm very grateful this no longer my problem. I'm also very glad my sons have already served and are out. I really don't know if I could now recommend the service to a young guy, something for me to think about. Maybe I'm wrong and it will work out, but I'm very pessimistic. Also, I wonder if I could respect an openly gay officer, I would of course obey lawfull orders given to me, but could I do with it all my heart as is required for a successful unit to operate. I really wonder.

[Griff Murphey]

When they first put women near the potential FEBA in Korea I understand that when serious alerts were called a lot of men were missing as they were escorting ALL of the women to the rear. However, things are probably different today 15 or 20 years on. It looks to me like the girls are pulling their own weight even though they are not blue cord infantry (well neither was I). I still don't understand how a woman can be in the field with men and preserve modesty. I guess "modesty" is an obsolete concept.

Although my brilliant ACDU military career only lasted 2 years, I would second Ron's comments above.

[blackhawknj]

There was a letter signed by something like 1000 retired flag officers urging no change to the current policy, you see what influence they had.
My current policy is that if someone asks this enlisted Vietnam vet and retired Reserve officer about military service, my answer is NO!

[John Sukey]

I am just wondering what's next? Base housing for "partners"

[cwartyman]

Only after the Fed Govt is sued. Since the Feds dont recognize gay Marriage or same sex Domestic partnerships in the Military Base housing will have to consist of partner sharing the same BEQ/BOQ room.
Mack

[Guamsst]

There are gays who very macho and there are the 'flaming limp wrist' types. The latter are not in the military.

Oh yes they are! I saw a kid last week wearing some girl jeans and a black T-shirt with these little red an black striped wool fingerless gloves. He was SWISHING his way into the chowhall as if he was on a runway at a Paris fashion show. You better believ if anyone ever tells him to do anything he doesn't like or any situation ever feels unfair at all he will be whining discrimination in a heartbeat.

That's exactly the reason I opposed ending don't ask don't tell. How is it legal to discriminate against women in some jobs in the military, the handicapped and the stupid, but you can't even put a restriction on gays?

And wait till someone gets beaten for meat gazing in the showers. After they sexually harass someone they will cry about how they are the victim of homophobes.

[blackhawknj]

Several veterans who have served since DADT was enacted in 1993 have told me that individuals violating this policy were usually "outed" when they had to take their physicals prior to overseas deployment and tested HIV positive. They got to stay Stateside while straights faced the desert sun, freezing nights, IEDS, snipers, etc. That does a lot for understanding and respect.
If there were any when I served in the Army 1967-1971 they were far more low keyed and close mouthed and discreet. than the
loudmouths and braggarts and exhibtionists of today.
Those I have talked to who have served in the Coed Military weren't too happy with it, and bailed out because of the favoritism showed to women.