Carlos Hathcock ammo

[Cosine26]

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[raymeketa]

1. 150 Grain CN 1906 Uncannelured, 1908 - 09
2. 150 Grain CN 1906 Cannelured, 1910 - 19
3. 170 Grain CN, 1920
4. 170 Grain CN Tinned, 1921
5. 170 Grain GM 6 Degree Boattail, 1922 - 23
6. 172 Grain GM 9 Degree Boattail M1, 1928, 31 - 40
7. 172 Grain GM 9 Degree Boattail M1 Type, 1924, 25, 27, 29, 30, 57 - 81
8. 168 Grain GM M2 AP, 1951
9. 152 Grain GMCS M2 Ball, 1952 - 56
10.168 Grain 13 Degree Boattail Sierra International, 1982 - 96

[rickgman]

Ray, Thanks for the historical info. Rick

[Tuna]

Hollow point bullets have never been banned by any convention. The Hague convention did ban the use of any bullet with any exposed lead not the Geneva convention.

[Griff Murphey]

I went turkey hunting with some of that green box LVE Russian 7.62x54, back in the 90's. I have found mild loads with 173 gr. GI match bullets in the '06 are ok for center of mass shots on turkeys, kinda like they had a curtain rod pushed through 'em. That Russki FMJ blew half a breast away. Sectioned one and they were that 7Ni concealed hollow space under the jacket. Never figured how the Russkis have gotten away with using that stuff. It's devastating.

Prefer head and neck shots on turkeys but those are sometimes not possible.

[PhillipM]

Hollow point bullets have never been banned by any convention. The Hague convention did ban the use of any bullet with any exposed lead not the Geneva convention.

The United States never signed the Hague convention so it never applied to us anyway. Even if we had signed it, it only was binding between other signers of the treaty and I'm pretty sure the Taliban and Saddam never signed it either.

I don't know what all the fuss is about with hollow point bullets anyway when nuclear weapons are acceptable.

[raymeketa]

There is a lot of confusion regarding the Geneva Conventions and the Hague Conventions and their impact on today's military ammunition and hollow point bullets.

In general, the Geneva Conventions were about people in war, not the weapons of war, which was a subject of the Hague Conventions. The Hague Declaration Concerning Expanding Bullets prohibits ". . .the use of bullets which expand or flatten easily in the human body. . .of a nature to cause superfluous injury or unnecessary suffering. . . " but does not specifically mention hollow-points or lead-tipped bullets. For many reasons, the U.S. did not officially become a party to this Declaration although it took the position that it would abide by it's general principles. A JAG 1990 opinion concluded that the Open Tip Match bullets was not in conflict with that position.