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  • Zeb
    Junior Member
    • Dec 2021
    • 11

    #1

    Trapdoor state property marks?

    I am curious if anyone on here has seen a North Dakota property mark on a trapdoor? I collect North Dakota military items and thought it would be a nice addition of a rifle. Thanks in advance.
  • Tom Trevor
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 566

    #2
    Not in the last forty years.

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    • Zeb
      Junior Member
      • Dec 2021
      • 11

      #3
      Thanks for the reply, I would think if they did mark them there would be no more than 1000 rifles total, they may even be marked Dakota territory and not ND until 1889.

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      • lyman
        Administrator - OFC
        • Aug 2009
        • 11266

        #4
        do you have , or can you find out what ND had for police/militia/troops in that time frame?

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        • Zeb
          Junior Member
          • Dec 2021
          • 11

          #5
          Originally posted by lyman
          do you have , or can you find out what ND had for police/militia/troops in that time frame?
          This is what I found, “ In 1883, Company A, First Regiment, Dakota National Guard, was organized at Bismarck, Dakota Territory.[1] In 1889, North Dakota became the Union's thirty-ninth state. The North Dakota National Guard was organized, comprising six infantry companies, two cavalry troops, and one artillery battery. Eight infantry companies of the First North Dakota Regiment were mobilized for the Spanish–American War and the Philippine–American War in 1898.”

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          • lyman
            Administrator - OFC
            • Aug 2009
            • 11266

            #6
            Originally posted by Zeb
            This is what I found, “ In 1883, Company A, First Regiment, Dakota National Guard, was organized at Bismarck, Dakota Territory.[1] In 1889, North Dakota became the Union's thirty-ninth state. The North Dakota National Guard was organized, comprising six infantry companies, two cavalry troops, and one artillery battery. Eight infantry companies of the First North Dakota Regiment were mobilized for the Spanish–American War and the Philippine–American War in 1898.”
            wondering if the Archives, or maybe the ND state library (do they have one?) has any purchase records for Company A

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            • Zeb
              Junior Member
              • Dec 2021
              • 11

              #7
              Originally posted by lyman
              wondering if the Archives, or maybe the ND state library (do they have one?) has any purchase records for Company A
              We have a State library and Archives. What should I ask for? I have been meaning to get to the archives for some Genealogy research anyway.

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              • Dick Hosmer
                Very Senior Member - OFC
                • Aug 2009
                • 5993

                #8
                What's the serial number - maybe there is something in the SRS records?

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                • lyman
                  Administrator - OFC
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 11266

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Zeb
                  We have a State library and Archives. What should I ask for? I have been meaning to get to the archives for some Genealogy research anyway.
                  exactly what you asked here, any records of early purchases,

                  if 5mad was still posting here, he may be able to help, he has a gift when it comes to sorting thru that stuff,


                  and Mr Hosmer is correct, a SRS search may show something

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                  • Tom Trevor
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 566

                    #10
                    I read his question a different way. He wanted to know IF there were North Dakota marked rifles. And if so he would like to find one for his collection of North Dakota military items.

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                    • Zeb
                      Junior Member
                      • Dec 2021
                      • 11

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Tom Trevor
                      I read his question a different way. He wanted to know IF there were North Dakota marked rifles. And if so he would like to find one for his collection of North Dakota military items.
                      This is correct, I am asking if they marked any rifles, sorry for the confusion guys! Does anyone have the SRS book set that could look and see if they are in there?

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                      • Dick Hosmer
                        Very Senior Member - OFC
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 5993

                        #12
                        I see what you mean - usually a person HAS a rifle and wants info on it. I was wrong - will look at my SRS books and see if I can find anything re North Dakota. I have never (knowingly) seen such a piece, however.

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                        • Zeb
                          Junior Member
                          • Dec 2021
                          • 11

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Dick Hosmer
                          I see what you mean - usually a person HAS a rifle and wants info on it. I was wrong - will look at my SRS books and see if I can find anything re North Dakota. I have never (knowingly) seen such a piece, however.
                          Thank you!

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                          • Dick Hosmer
                            Very Senior Member - OFC
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 5993

                            #14
                            Vols. 3,4 - nothing found for ND. Vols. 2 (HUGE TD section) and 1 (the original eye-buster!) yet to go.

                            I am struck by the fact that it would be great to have the SRS data in a 'modern' DB format, with proper fields, allowing ALL data to be searchable. Maybe someone (much) younger than I could approach Wayne Gagner and see if such exists, or, if not, whether it could be created - which would involve TONS of mind-numbing work (to say nothing of breeding a few errors along the way).

                            As I see it, you've got quite a chase. First, there is the basic question - WERE any TDs stamped "ND" (or a 19th century equivalent)? If nothing ever turns up in SRS, the odds are there weren't any, but if one/some does/do, how do you find another? Serial number 'closeness' means absolutely nothing. Perhaps the closest thing might be to check the various unit histories and see which, if any, US troops served there? NOT what you want, I know, but it may be the closest thing you'll ever find.

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                            • Zeb
                              Junior Member
                              • Dec 2021
                              • 11

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Dick Hosmer
                              Vols. 3,4 - nothing found for ND. Vols. 2 (HUGE TD section) and 1 (the original eye-buster!) yet to go.

                              I am struck by the fact that it would be great to have the SRS data in a 'modern' DB format, with proper fields, allowing ALL data to be searchable. Maybe someone (much) younger than I could approach Wayne Gagner and see if such exists, or, if not, whether it could be created - which would involve TONS of mind-numbing work (to say nothing of breeding a few errors along the way).

                              As I see it, you've got quite a chase. First, there is the basic question - WERE any TDs stamped "ND" (or a 19th century equivalent)? If nothing ever turns up in SRS, the odds are there weren't any, but if one/some does/do, how do you find another? Serial number 'closeness' means absolutely nothing. Perhaps the closest thing might be to check the various unit histories and see which, if any, US troops served there? NOT what you want, I know, but it may be the closest thing you'll ever find.
                              Actually I was gonna ask this very question there are alot of forts in ND Most date from the late 1860s to early 1870s How would I go about finding a rifle from one of those units? I was actually digging some finds out of one 3 weeks ago,The fort I was digging had the 20th INF stationed there, and the fort from my hometown had 20th inf also.

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