Military Taking Women's Role Seriously

[S.A. Boggs]

What's problematic is not treating them like sh*t; to the same degree as the men, that is. What ALL the cops I know say about women in their units is that for them, "allowances" have to be made; men who don't give them extra slack expose themselves to the accusation of harassment, so to avoid making waves, they take up the slack themselves.

Worked with our first female deputy, she was somewhat timid in performing her duties. Rule of thumb was first on scene was lead in until a supervisor got there. @ a bar fight she refused to be the first thru the door waiting for someone else. Needless to say she decided that wearing the badge wasn't for her, later became a hairdresser. I am NOT saying all females are like this, some aren't as I have worked with pretty tough women @ the clinic. When it comes to physical, from experience, the ladies bowed out to someone else. I will let Vern speak as the voice of authority and go with his opinion. Having taken a right hook to the jaw pain hurts like this! Having to fight back and wanting to run at the same time is a decision without a lot of time to think, I lucked out and survived. Physically dealing with people one learns quickly WHAT NOT TO DO on a daily basis.
Sam

[blackhawknj]

I was a grunt, being mean to people who spend weeks at a time armed, ready to react at a moment's notice-and aren't afraid to pull the trigger....and in the infantry, there is a bit more peer pressure than in other branches.

[Vern Humphrey]

Worked with our first female deputy, she was somewhat timid in performing her duties. Rule of thumb was first on scene was lead in until a supervisor got there. @ a bar fight she refused to be the first thru the door waiting for someone else. Needless to say she decided that wearing the badge wasn't for her, later became a hairdresser. I am NOT saying all females are like this, some aren't as I have worked with pretty tough women @ the clinic. When it comes to physical, from experience, the ladies bowed out to someone else. I will let Vern speak as the voice of authority and go with his opinion. Having taken a right hook to the jaw pain hurts like this! Having to fight back and wanting to run at the same time is a decision without a lot of time to think, I lucked out and survived. Physically dealing with people one learns quickly WHAT NOT TO DO on a daily basis.
Sam

The thing is this -- people will, by and large, try live up to the standards set for them. If you set the same standards for women, men, blacks, whites, and so on, you'll tend to get uniform performance. If you set the standards lower for some, they' never match the others -- because why should they?

[togor]

The thing is this -- people will, by and large, try live up to the standards set for them. If you set the same standards for women, men, blacks, whites, and so on, you'll tend to get uniform performance. If you set the standards lower for some, they' never match the others -- because why should they?

Every now and then, Vern, +1

[clintonhater]

If you set the same standards for women, men, blacks, whites, and so on, you'll tend to get uniform performance.

What if they're physically or mentally incapable of meeting those standards? Because they've been enlisted or hired to satisfy some arbitrary PC requirement?

[blackhawknj]

People also do what they are allowed to get away with. Cf. all the Navy men who have to serve extra tours of sea duty because some female got pregnant.

[clintonhater]

...some female got pregnant.

Also called unscheduled shore leave.

[S.A. Boggs]

What if they're physically or mentally incapable of meeting those standards? Because they've been enlisted or hired to satisfy some arbitrary PC requirement?

Somebody dies or gets hurt is the consequence. Had a jerk in high school who was a problem child, was taken out of school [was 18] in the 11th grade by the cops. Was "accused" of a B&E and given the chance of joining the Army or going to prison, he "volunteered" and was gone that weekend. Did the same stupid stuff in basic and was sent to Nam, got chosen to walk point the first few weeks there. His name is on the wall because the men in his unit let him get killed before he got one of them get killed. Unit cohesion is a tight knit group who depend on each other, slackers get what is coming to them. From the clinic to EMS Station 11 where I worked, you pulled your weight.
Sam

[blackhawknj]

When men do things-such as ailments or injuries-to get out of unpleasant assignments, they're called malingerers.
I note that Mattis has publicly addressed the problem of "non-deployables".
Yes, there are names on The Wall I shed no tears for.
The barracks thief was often dealt with severely by his peers.