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  • RED
    Very Senior Member - OFC
    • Aug 2009
    • 11689

    #16
    When Bush was President, he was vilified, derided, demeaned, and ridiculed by the press. 92% of the MSN media claimed the economy was the worst in the past 50 years because of Bush 41.

    Now they are singing his praises while the press has the same 92% rating with negative news about the current incumbent.

    Lie, lie, lie, agitate and agitate.

    The fact is he was a mediocre (at best) President. His No Child Left Behind program was devastating to school systems everywhere, and his decision to leave Saddam in power after the Gulf War has had devastating results including the second Iraq war.

    Now he is a Saint according to the MSM.
    Last edited by RED; 12-03-2018, 04:56.

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    • clintonhater
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2015
      • 5220

      #17
      Originally posted by RED
      Now they are singing his praises while the press has the same 92% rating with negative news about the current incumbent.
      Exactly as with the death of "great hero" McCain--the media is now building them up, praising them for "bringing the country together," & similar hypocritical BS, as a backdoor way of tearing Trump down. ANYBODY, like both Bushes, who opposes Trump is NOW (not when they were in office) a national hero.

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      • togor
        Banned
        • Nov 2009
        • 17610

        #18
        NCLB was passed during W's term. H.W. did an outstanding job of organizing a coalition in the first Gulf War. Leaving Saddam in looks pretty good compared to what Iraq has been since. The place is a nest of vipers under the best of circumstances. The cold war wound down peacefully and the Euros give HW credit for that, if folks here aren't prepared to go that far. Still, let's not forget Willie Horton and the beginning of GOP race-baiting.

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        • JB White
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2009
          • 13371

          #19
          As I recall, NCLB was a left over from the Clinton years. It was one of Hillary's pet projects and one part of the agenda she used during her first run for office. NCLB was connected to her, "It takes a village...." slogans.
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          • Dolt
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2011
            • 543

            #20
            Originally posted by togor
            NCLB was passed during W's term. H.W. did an outstanding job of organizing a coalition in the first Gulf War. Leaving Saddam in looks pretty good compared to what Iraq has been since. The place is a nest of vipers under the best of circumstances. The cold war wound down peacefully and the Euros give HW credit for that, if folks here aren't prepared to go that far. Still, let's not forget Willie Horton and the beginning of GOP race-baiting.
            Margaret Thatcher had to serve as 41's backbone before the Gulf War. Read some history
            Read, think, UNDERSTAND, comment

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            • JB White
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2009
              • 13371

              #21
              Originally posted by Dolt
              Margaret Thatcher had to serve as 41's backbone before the Gulf War. Read some history
              Of course. Most all those stolen oil wells in Kuwait were....BP. She prompted us to help put on the pressure. When SHTF it was actually Maggie's war.
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              • Bill D
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2009
                • 2568

                #22
                Someone else needs to “read some history”.
                "A generation which ignores history has no past and no future." - Jean Boden

                "In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: It goes on."
                -- Robert Frost

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                • clintonhater
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2015
                  • 5220

                  #23
                  Originally posted by JB White
                  Of course. Most all those stolen oil wells in Kuwait were....BP. She prompted us to help put on the pressure. When SHTF it was actually Maggie's war.
                  What difference was it supposed to make WHICH Arab dictator we bought oil from? How much oil could have been purchased for the cost of that war? What was the value of the oil burned up when Saddam set fire to every well in Kuwait--just as he had promised he'd do if Bush invaded?

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                  • JB White
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 13371

                    #24
                    Originally posted by clintonhater
                    What difference was it supposed to make WHICH Arab dictator we bought oil from? How much oil could have been purchased for the cost of that war? What was the value of the oil burned up when Saddam set fire to every well in Kuwait--just as he had promised he'd do if Bush invaded?
                    Paying $8 a gallon today after waiting in line with rationing stamps.
                    Sadass Insane building up the 4th largest army in the world with the latest high-tech weaponry.
                    The Middle East would be such a peaceful place today and all the terrorists would have to go to work flipping burgers.
                    The World Trade Center towers would still be standing.
                    OPEC would be pushing tourism and selling time shares since they would have no reason to go to the bargaining table.

                    I'm running out of bull chit brown. How big a pretty picture would you like me to paint?
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                    • clintonhater
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2015
                      • 5220

                      #25
                      Originally posted by JB White
                      The Middle East would be such a peaceful place today and all the terrorists would have to go to work flipping burgers.
                      The World Trade Center towers would still be standing.
                      That part, at least, is probably true.

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                      • JB White
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 13371

                        #26
                        Originally posted by clintonhater
                        That part, at least, is probably true.
                        I highly doubt it. They have always had a reason for attacking the West. Israel. Last I looked it was still there.
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                        • clintonhater
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2015
                          • 5220

                          #27
                          Originally posted by JB White
                          I highly doubt it. They have always had a reason for attacking the West. Israel. Last I looked it was still there.
                          You're not looking in the right place--Iraq's hereditary enemy was Iran, & even the alleged (but fictional) WMDs were chiefly intended to intimidate Iran. Threats of attacking Israel were always sheer bluster--Saddam, no madman, knew better.

                          The two Bushes were the best friends Iran has ever had. Surprising Iran didn't send a delegation to the funeral to express their appreciation for removing the only REAL threat the Mullas feared.

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                          • S.A. Boggs
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 8568

                            #28
                            Originally posted by JB White
                            I highly doubt it. They have always had a reason for attacking the West. Israel. Last I looked it was still there.
                            Israel, like South Korea, has learned a powerful lesson on self defense and in turn are pretty tough fighters. Mossad is very capable, forced to be feared as one never knows when their agents will appear.
                            Sam

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                            • JB White
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 13371

                              #29
                              Originally posted by clintonhater
                              You're not looking in the right place--Iraq's hereditary enemy was Iran, & even the alleged (but fictional) WMDs were chiefly intended to intimidate Iran. Threats of attacking Israel were always sheer bluster--Saddam, no madman, knew better.

                              The two Bushes were the best friends Iran has ever had. Surprising Iran didn't send a delegation to the funeral to express their appreciation for removing the only REAL threat the Mullas feared.
                              We stuck our nose into the Iran-Iraq conflict. The Shah of Iran liked us because we were paying him to do so. Paid him for ourselves and he in turn didn't attack Israel. Don't you remember all the protests in the early to mid 70's against the Shah's regime???? THAT is what put the radicals in power. THAT is why the Ayatollah was thrust into power. THAT resulted in the 444 days. Every POTUS since Carter has been playing Iranian damage control in their own way.

                              Iraq's WMD's were the result of bad intel and relying on others who had a stake in the game. I still believe the WMD weapons development was hurried out of country before we went in. As I recall the WMD thing was supposed to cause the American public to buy into going in. Grounds for justification. A Democratic Hill voted overwhelmingly to go in. Then they pulled the "I didn't do it" excuse to CTA knowing full well most Dem voters have never heard of the Congressional record let alone peeked at it. Saddam was indeed a madman. Otherwise he wouldn't have invited his own downfall. Think back and try to recall the stunts he pulled and the threats spewing from his mouth.

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                              Originally posted by S.A. Boggs
                              Israel, like South Korea, has learned a powerful lesson on self defense and in turn are pretty tough fighters. Mossad is very capable, forced to be feared as one never knows when their agents will appear.
                              Sam
                              I'm sure everyone knows that. Send a couple emails and remind the Middle East. Maybe they will start accepting Israel and liking us.
                              The fact that Israel is unwanted but capable of fighting is what pisses them off. Who all was instrumental in putting Israel into such a strong position?? *hint* It wasn't anybody from any tribe over there.
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                              • clintonhater
                                Senior Member
                                • Nov 2015
                                • 5220

                                #30
                                Originally posted by JB White
                                The Shah of Iran liked us because we were paying him to do so. Paid him for ourselves and he in turn didn't attack Israel.
                                Nonsense--attacking Israel would have meant first crossing the territory of their mortal enemy Saddam; now, after WE removed that enemy & installed in its place a gov't friendly to them, Iran is in a much position to attack Israel, if they didn't fear the consequences.

                                No doubt the Shaw & his family appreciated US aid & support--just as S. Korea still does. But that's not the reason he was so bitterly reviled by the mullahs; it was his attempt to modernize & westernize Iran, including reducing the power of the mullahs, that earned him their eternal hatred. Imagine, now, the leader of any Islamic country appearing on a popular TV show--but the Shaw appeared twice on Art Linkletter's show when it had the highest ratings on daytime TV.

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