Tankers Attacked.

[BEAR]

It was "Trump" and the NRA. All you degenerate gun lovers are to blame also. We need to ban "assault limpet mines".

There! Now we know who to blame.

[m1ashooter]

We can not invade Iran and expect to control the population, about all we can do is blow stuff up and kill a bunch of people. Removing the Mullahs would be a good thing for the Iranian people.

[togor]

So what's the narrative here? That Iran grimly intends to invest a decade or more with a ruined economy making a nuke which they can then heave at Israel? And if it works they get both a counterstrike and whatever radioactive fallout from their own bomb gets carried back on them by the winds? There is no scenario where an Iranian bomb gets used. These Persian SOBs are tough nuts but one thing they are not is uncivilized tent dwellers like their Arab neighbors. The people who say that war with Iran is inevitable and so the sooner the better clearly learned NOT ONE DAMN THING from the Iraq war.

[Roadkingtrax]

The people who say that war with Iran is inevitable and so the sooner the better clearly learned NOT ONE DAMN THING from the Iraq war.

I'll add, that either due to age, circumstance, or plain old ignorance, those that call for military action have absolutely zero stake in any war with Iran.

[S.A. Boggs]

So what's the narrative here? That Iran grimly intends to invest a decade or more with a ruined economy making a nuke which they can then heave at Israel? And if it works they get both a counterstrike and whatever radioactive fallout from their own bomb gets carried back on them by the winds? There is no scenario where an Iranian bomb gets used. These Persian SOBs are tough nuts but one thing they are not is uncivilized tent dwellers like their Arab neighbors. The people who say that war with Iran is inevitable and so the sooner the better clearly learned NOT ONE DAMN THING from the Iraq war.

One does not need to invade, nor to use physical force as this can be counter productive. One wants to attack but not be seen, damage but not be noted. Physically do what can be done to negated Iran's ability to sell oil on the world market. Any tanker that onloads in an Iranian port will be stopped, searched for "contraband" and then taken to a nearby area to offload the cargo without compensation. Let Iran know any of their boats coming out of port will be turned back by force if necessary. Hit their boats with a non lethal chemical weapon such as concentrated pepper spray weaponized. There are many alternatives that can be done, look back to our history for what not to do. Remember what did not work. Moslems have a fear of pigs, something as simply implying that the U.S. is willing to weaponize bacon grease could be utilized. To us it is funny, yet Muslims have a fear of becoming ceremonially unclean. One does not have to do anything in reality except to implant the idea of having had done something that will register negatively in their mind.
Sam

[togor]

Weaponizing pork? I don't think that will get us anything but ridicule. I don't think Trump wants a shooting war with Iran but can't say the same about Bolton or Pompeo or Netanyahu or MBS. Once again yahoos find themselves with the levers of power in hand and once again they want to play. If anyone someday writes a book about the decline of the United States, this whole era since the first WTC bombing will be in the same sad chapter.

[free1954]

how about yemen? haven't the Saudi's been at war with them for the last four years? their attacks have been getting more sophisticated.

[Allen]

One MOAB dropped over Tehran especially during an event would wipe out Ali Khamenei and other leaders even if they were hiding in their bunkers and free the rest of the citizens of the country (who weren't in Tehran at the time).

The problem of course is getting it there w/o being detected. So far those huge bombs are dropped from a C-130 or C-5.

Makes one wonder if we are developing smaller pressure bombs of such that could be launched by missiles.

[Vern Humphrey]

One MOAB dropped over Tehran especially during an event would wipe out Ali Khamenei and other leaders even if they were hiding in their bunkers and free the rest of the citizens of the country (who weren't in Tehran at the time).

The problem of course is getting it there w/o being detected. So far those huge bombs are dropped from a C-130 or C-5.

Makes one wonder if we are developing smaller pressure bombs of such that could be launched by missiles.

The problem is, what do you do for an encore? One bomb won't win a war, but it will sure as hell start one.

[Allen]

The problem is, what do you do for an encore? One bomb won't win a war, but it will sure as hell start one.

Like "W" said. It would be cutting the head off of the snake. The farmers, peasants, citizens living on the outskirts probably don't want war. I know I said annaliate in a other threads but meant primarily the leaders and military capacity. WW11 Japan was just the opposite where everyone was taught to kill from birth--don't know about Iran. If an encore would be needed though, I could see the U.S. taking out enough targets at once to prevent Iran from being able to do much. To me the problem of a war would be if Russia stepped in.

[Vern Humphrey]

Like "W" said. It would be cutting the head off of the snake. The farmers, peasants, citizens living on the outskirts probably don't want war. I know I said annaliate in a other threads but meant primarily the leaders and military capacity. WW11 Japan was just the opposite where everyone was taught to kill from birth--don't know about Iran. If an encore would be needed though, I could see the U.S. taking out enough targets at once to prevent Iran from being able to do much. To me the problem of a war would be if Russia stepped in.

No war has ever been won by air power alone. We would be attacking a nation that can do great damage -- for example, they could supply terrorists with "dirty bombs."

[S.A. Boggs]

Weaponizing pork? I don't think that will get us anything but ridicule. I don't think Trump wants a shooting war with Iran but can't say the same about Bolton or Pompeo or Netanyahu or MBS. Once again yahoos find themselves with the levers of power in hand and once again they want to play. If anyone someday writes a book about the decline of the United States, this whole era since the first WTC bombing will be in the same sad chapter.

Togor you have missed the point that I failed miserably trying to make. If my dim memory serves me correct the Sepoy Rebellion started over the ideation of pork grease. An ideation of a possibility is often sufficient, psychological warfare. I kept many of my criminal clients @ bay due to the "possibility" of what I would/wouldn't do depending on the situation. Like a Wolf one has to know when to use one's power and when not to, a howl in the dead of night can conjure horrible fear.
If we have surveillance air assists that are attacked one could also have a CAP high above to guard them. This happened when Iran sent two F 4 Phantoms to intercept one of our drones in international airspace and were 6 ed by F22's and told to go home. American flagged ship either have the right to traverse international waters under our military protection or the ships do not. WE spend tremendous sums for defense in the hopes of not having to use them. We should use them judiciously in protection of self and other's. I carry a Sig P220 in .45 acp along with pepper spray, I am schooled in their use. I am also skilled in unarmed combat and how to inflect tremendous pain up to the point of death. I seek no trouble, raise your voice and I leave the area. I continue to hone my shooting skills weekly and other skills as my body now permits. Like my "Uncle Sam" I speak softly and carry a big stick.
Sam

[Allen]

No war has ever been won by air power alone. We would be attacking a nation that can do great damage -- for example, they could supply terrorists with "dirty bombs."

True but weapons have changed. Could all of the Japanese inhabited islands of WW11 been wiped out with the use of pressure bombs like the MOAB? Their tunnels, bunkers and pill boxes that were so effective against the U.S. would have been useless. I could see the same for countries like Iran if we didn't give them a notice we were coming and tell them what targets we were interested in like was done during the Iraq war.

As far as the dirty bombs go they could and can do that now. Don't forget about those 2 tankers and the 4 previous tankers--though not dirty bombs they were bombed.

I don't see this being America's problem per se. Though the whole world is somewhat affected by Iran it should be more a concern for the Saudi's, Iraq, Kuwait, Pakistan, Oman, India and others in the region to foot the bill and manpower with the U.S. sitting in the shadows to add a missile here and there.

[barretcreek]

What has come out since the attacks lead me to wonder if a RPG or something similar was used; I think a real ship to ship missile would have done a lot more damage.

[Vern Humphrey]

True but weapons have changed. Could all of the Japanese inhabited islands of WW11 been wiped out with the use of pressure bombs like the MOAB? Their tunnels, bunkers and pill boxes that were so effective against the U.S. would have been useless. I could see the same for countries like Iran if we didn't give them a notice we were coming and tell them what targets we were interested in like was done during the Iraq war.

Couldn't possibly work -- there are too many targets, too deeply dug in, and too few of them known to us.