Biden plans to shut down gun industry!

[shadycon]

Drums are an accessory item for TSMG's. Which is highly collectable. Have you ever shot one? It's fun to go to a range and dump a drum full! What do you do for fun? Type on Forums all day? People collect many things because they like too have a collection.. As for background checks, they would be more useful if they would make them 100%.JMHO

[Gun Smoke]

What do you do for fun? Type on Forums all day?

I think you answered your own question.

[togor]

Yes fun to go to a range and dump a drum full. In other words, a toy. Nothing wrong with toys for all ages, but remember, they're toys.

https://www.theonion.com/fun-toy-banned-because-of-three-stupid-dead-kids-1819565691

[lyman]

Nobody likes being called a fudd,

Unless that happens to be their last name.

We both know the deal here--unless someone tows a particular hard line, they can expect to get attacked. Like liberal feminists, except with guns.

Nonetheless, no one has given a good reason why drum mags are the hill to die on, why that has to be where the line is, when their constituency is small and their appeal limited.

I understand the logic of not breaking ranks, and it makes sense.

But holding the line is one thing and deciding where to draw it is another. Terrain matters.

As for Form 4s,

They probably weed out certain elements from owning things, including those not right in the head, and who knows, maybe terrorists.

My motivation is, I want to keep what I have, and want my kids to have the same options.

My concern is, a change in politics might require people to come up with rational answers to questions, not emotional ones.

Questions like,

Why are drum mags so damned important?

Added: as a reminder, the VA rally was about showing the legislature that gun owners are responsible, rational. Hence: leave the ANV battle flags at home please, not helpful.

So reasonable questions should be met with reasonable answers,

not name calling.

Reminding me why drum mags matter so much is a reasonable question.

now who is testy??

and why the sudden hate for drum mags?


why have a limit at all?

the limit as far as democrats are concerned seems to be 7 (NY) 10 (most other restrictive states) and 15 (colorado)

does round count #8, #11 or #16 and higher make you more dangerous?


are your AR mags and G43 mags, etc whispering to you at night telling you do go do bad things?
(if they are, you have bigger issues)


(BTW,, the ANV flag has nothing to do with this conversation)




meanwhile when you call for 'common sense' or 'rational' controls, that is what makes you look like a fudd,,,,



kinda like the tweed jacket w elbow patches shotgun crowd, (all I need is 2 shots,,,, who needs those semi automatics,,)
but then again, those guys are die hards usually and even frown on guys using semi auto shotguns,, (despite the fact they have a few in the closet,,)




btw,, that line is not a hard line,,, it should not be line at all,

[Gun Smoke]

The 2nd amendment is not about hunting. It is all about defense so yes, why should there EVER be a limit on magazine capacity or rate of fire?

Now to keep things in order our judicial department should be FAR more severe with crimes of all sorts, not just those commented with guns. Capitol punishment should be mandatory in a lot of cases and "death row" should not exist. Politicians and "celebrities" should not have separate rules just for them. In short, every one should be equally accountable for their actions.

Parole and early releases, should become a thing of the past. As long as we reward criminals they aren't going to change. If a person knew in advance they would have to do the time for the crime many would not live such a life.

Illegals and legal non-citizens should NEVER be allowed to own weapons or have any other access to our freedoms. Adult gun owners should be responsible for keeping their guns from those who shouldn't have them.

All this being said. There should be no restrictions what-so-ever involving legal gun ownership. How else can we uphold the true agenda of the 2nd and what restrictions or laws would ever affect criminals?

The democrats REALLY hate our constitution. No one is against guns, ammo and the right to use them except for them.

[Vern Humphrey]

As Tench Coxe said, "All the terrible instruments of the soldier."

[shadycon]

I think you answered your own question.

Yes, I answered my own question, I looked at the # of posts being made!

[S.A. Boggs]

Who are "the children" exactly that the Left speak of? Is it a measure of chronological according to law or according to emotional ability?
"Common sense" this again is a term that is bantered back and forth to no avail.
Countless arguments, disagreements resorting in legalese to what avail?
Our Constitution seems to be written in plain conversation with a person of say a 9th grade education should be able to understand. Yet we have people with many initials after their name unable to come to any consensus. Same on this board, a daily disagreement as to what is "legal" or should be made "illegal" according to what? Fear, loathing or both? Shot gunners who shoot skeet have been know to look down upon those who shoot the semi auto as "dangerous" and ought to be banned as useless. Yet at close range a shotgun is more physically destructive then the semi, so who is dangerous now?
The argument is useless as there most likely will be no agreement and this can be the danger.
Sam

[Vern Humphrey]

Who are "the children" exactly that the Left speak of? Is it a measure of chronological according to law or according to emotional ability?
"Common sense" this again is a term that is bantered back and forth to no avail.

It has been my experience that people who use the term "common sense" do not have any -- they are simply pleading with you to believe them in matters where they have no training, education or experience. In other words, when someone says "common sense" he really means, "I'm dumb as a rock, but I'll get really mad if you don't accept everything I say."

Back in the Johnson Administration, we were told "it's for the children." Today, more than 40 years later, there are more children living in poverty in single parent homes than there were in the '60s.

If "common sense" meant anything, it would be common sense to include objective indicators of success for vast government programs, collect data, and report back on whether those programs are working or not -- and if they're not, cancel or modify them.

[S.A. Boggs]

It has been my experience that people who use the term "common sense" do not have any -- they are simply pleading with you to believe them in matters where they have no training, education or experience. In other words, when someone says "common sense" he really means, "I'm dumb as a rock, but I'll get really mad if you don't accept everything I say."

Back in the Johnson Administration, we were told "it's for the children." Today, more than 40 years later, there are more children living in poverty in single parent homes than there were in the '60s.

If "common sense" meant anything, it would be common sense to include objective indicators of success for vast government programs, collect data, and report back on whether those programs are working or not -- and if they're not, cancel or modify them.

Poverty has became an industry of sorts with a large bureaucracy to go with it. I had counselors tell clients not to go to work as the client would lose their benefits. The reality was the counselor would lose the money that the client brought in. Welfare is big business locally and Section 8 Housing is big guaranteed money for the land lord. I have no idea where this will end or when it will end.
Sam

[Vern Humphrey]

Poverty has became an industry of sorts with a large bureaucracy to go with it. I had counselors tell clients not to go to work as the client would lose their benefits. The reality was the counselor would lose the money that the client brought in. Welfare is big business locally and Section 8 Housing is big guaranteed money for the land lord. I have no idea where this will end or when it will end.
Sam

Jesus said, "The poor you have with you always."

And a half-million politicians and poverty bureaucrats roared back, "You will if WE have anything to do with it!"

[Gun Smoke]

Back in the Johnson Administration, we were told "it's for the children." Today, more than 40 years later, there are more children living in poverty in single parent homes than there were in the '60s.

You have to read between the lines: "It's for the votes".

This was Johnson's "Great society". The beginnings and advancement of welfare as we know it. People, mostly blacks, were paid to have kids, so they did. Guess how these people vote today. Guess how many of them are still on welfare.

[Vern Humphrey]

You have to read between the lines: "It's for the votes".

This was Johnson's "Great society". The beginnings and advancement of welfare as we know it. People, mostly blacks, were paid to have kids, so they did. Guess how these people vote today. Guess how many of them are still on welfare.

As Bob Beckel (remember him?) said, "Poverty programs are not meant to end poverty. They're just meant to make poor people more comfortable."

[lyman]

Yes fun to go to a range and dump a drum full. In other words, a toy. Nothing wrong with toys for all ages, but remember, they're toys.

https://www.theonion.com/fun-toy-ban...ids-1819565691

really,


fuddy again,


they are collectible,

and there are also some comps for subguns,




my M1A1 is not cut for drums,, so I just run sticks

[S.A. Boggs]

really,


fuddy again,


they are collectible,

and there are also some comps for subguns,




my M1A1 is not cut for drums,, so I just run sticks

Back in my youth had a Thompson with a drum. Pain to load, heavy and ran out too quick. I preferred the sticks as well in lieu of the drum. Our dept had many sub guns from the Thompson to the American Arms 180. I had more fun playing with one of our MP-40's and cheaper too. On a windless day the 180 would choke you and the 177 rds of .22 takes forever to load.
Sam