Biden plans to shut down gun industry!

[S.A. Boggs]

And chortle because he has restricted our freedom.

As Togey pointed out earlier he is interested in only his opinion as correct. ASPD's are hard to live with and will either go very emotional when challenged to non-emotional as Togey does often. As long as people here understand that Togey is mentally ill in this regard so this is how his opinion[s] will stand.
Sam

[Gun Smoke]

One question for the gallery:

Where was all of this b*tching when bump stocks went away?

I was here. Nary a peep.

Bump stock, bump stock, bump stock, bone spur, bone spur, bone spur.

There was a lengthy conversation here about it. You should remember since, as usual, you were hijacking every ones threads.

NO. The bump stock ban was NOT handled correctly but since the molded plastic device was merely a POS it wasn't worth fighting for. During the lengthy conversation no one admitted they owned one or wanted one and they've been on the market for many years.

It just wasn't worth arguing over then or now.

Without the b!tching of the democrats this wouldn't have been done either though. Trump tried to please both sides with the ban. Give the democrats what they want (for the day) and at the same time not hurt the gun industry.

I don't miss them. It hasn't affected me in the least.

[togor]

So bump stocks are a plastic POS but drum mags are a hill to die on? I've heard drum mags described in exactly the same terms that GS uses.

Neither are firearms.

And neither would affect me in the least either. So if you can use "how it affects me" as the test, can I?

[Vern Humphrey]

If you want such a thing, take a semi-auto like a Ruger MKII pistol, hold it in your left hand, stick your right finger in the trigger guard and rotate it rapidly -- ratatatatat!

[Gun Smoke]

If you want such a thing, take a semi-auto like a Ruger MKII pistol, hold it in your left hand, stick your right finger in the trigger guard and rotate it rapidly -- ratatatatat!

Absolutely correct. You won't hit the broadside of a barn but you can get the rifle to shoot in a slow somewhat F/A mode.

Drum magazines work (usually) and don't affect the accuracy.

How do you "grandfather" a plastic device that has no serial number? If numbers were applied then black market production could continue with numbers simply burned in (any number).

[S.A. Boggs]

So bump stocks are a plastic POS but drum mags are a hill to die on? I've heard drum mags described in exactly the same terms that GS uses.

Neither are firearms.

And neither would affect me in the least either. So if you can use "how it affects me" as the test, can I?

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Sam

[Vern Humphrey]

Absolutely correct. You won't hit the broadside of a barn but you can get the rifle to shoot in a slow somewhat F/A mode.

Drum magazines work (usually) and don't affect the accuracy.

How do you "grandfather" a plastic device that has no serial number? If numbers were applied then black market production could continue with numbers simply burned in (any number).

The ban, like the device, is basically meaningless.

[togor]

Absolutely correct. You won't hit the broadside of a barn but you can get the rifle to shoot in a slow somewhat F/A mode.

Drum magazines work (usually) and don't affect the accuracy.

How do you "grandfather" a plastic device that has no serial number? If numbers were applied then black market production could continue with numbers simply burned in (any number).

Bump stocks and drums functioned as the manufacturers intended in Vegas.

A drum magazine can increase the volume of fire possible without reloading.

Most guys wouldn't reach for them in a self defense situation because of the premium placed on reliability.

So that leaves pure recreational use, and mass shootings.

I can't help but wonder if, after turning our economy upside down in an attempt to save lives from the virus, if that same life-saving impulse won't show up in other subjects. Candidates include health care, guns, and yes, abortion too.

[Gun Smoke]

Just like Michael Moore. He hates EVERY THING.

[Vern Humphrey]

Just like Michael Moore. He hates EVERY THING.

And doesn't realize that by hating, he gives control of his mind and emotions to the very people he hates.

[lyman]

One question for the gallery:

Where was all of this b*tching when bump stocks went away?

I was here. Nary a peep.

I even got dinged for suggesting Trump had a special interest in protecting the public events industries which proved decisive in him giving the order to find a way to ban bump stocks. No, he was doing the right thing, they said. But I say I won't lose sleep if drum mags need a form 4 (which means you can still have them unlike bump stocks) and OMG the sky is falling!

Credibility on this issue is very low on this forum. Just a lot of emotional reaction.

you seem to forget,,

there are some things that walk that line, as in someone invents or reinvents something that gets approved,, then suddenly not approved, then maybe approved after a redesign, etc etc


bump stocks, being able to shoulder pistol braces, binary triggers, other trigger enhancement items etc etc etc, ,

all walk that fine and blurred line on what the ATF says you can have or not, or falls under an executive order,


someone buys a bump stock that is suddenly forbidden,
they toss it, turn it in, or put in in the closet,

most went in the closet,


and nothing happens,, but someone feels better, and some folks complain, and lots don't let it bother them, (various reasons,, including Fudd reasons)


5 days\hours\months\years from now someone may invent a similar device that passes muster, and gets sold by the millions,,

or not

you get dinged cause you have not come out the closet yet,,, you are a gun grabber Fudd, that has what he as and does not care if anything is banned now,

cause we did something to make something better,

for the children,

blah blah,,

with out actually looking at the real reasons, or the actual use,

just follow the MSM including faux news,


and feel better,



nfa stamps now for 100 round drums,

you have posted in the past about NFA for 'assault weapons'


restriction, restriction, restriction, and negative comments about those that my have them,

always the negative,


always,,




comparing all to a few nut jobs that should have been unable to acquire anything if other parts of the .gov had done the right thing,,,, (mental health,,, since you have a kid that is a Dr,, you think you may have some insights into that,, but nope,, quote the Bloomberg gun control book chapter and verse,,, buy hey,, you got yours,, so why should someone else,, oh,, for the children,, )

[togor]

"gun grabber fudd"

Useful discussion at an end.

Some people getting downright testy.

[lyman]

"gun grabber fudd"

Useful discussion at an end.

Some people getting downright testy.

just you,

we have had this conversation before,, in fact a couple times at least,




usefull?? likely yes, to prove a point that you are for Gun Control, again

just come out that closet,,


liberate yourself,,

[togor]

just you,

we have had this conversation before,, in fact a couple times at least,




usefull?? likely yes, to prove a point that you are for Gun Control, again

just come out that closet,,


liberate yourself,,

Nobody likes being called a fudd,

Unless that happens to be their last name.

We both know the deal here--unless someone tows a particular hard line, they can expect to get attacked. Like liberal feminists, except with guns.

Nonetheless, no one has given a good reason why drum mags are the hill to die on, why that has to be where the line is, when their constituency is small and their appeal limited.

I understand the logic of not breaking ranks, and it makes sense.

But holding the line is one thing and deciding where to draw it is another. Terrain matters.

As for Form 4s,

They probably weed out certain elements from owning things, including those not right in the head, and who knows, maybe terrorists.

My motivation is, I want to keep what I have, and want my kids to have the same options.

My concern is, a change in politics might require people to come up with rational answers to questions, not emotional ones.

Questions like,

Why are drum mags so damned important?

Added: as a reminder, the VA rally was about showing the legislature that gun owners are responsible, rational. Hence: leave the ANV battle flags at home please, not helpful.

So reasonable questions should be met with reasonable answers,

not name calling.

Reminding me why drum mags matter so much is a reasonable question.

[S.A. Boggs]

Nobody likes being called a fudd,

Unless that happens to be their last name.

We both know the deal here--unless someone tows a particular hard line, they can expect to get attacked. Like liberal feminists, except with guns.

Nonetheless, no one has given a good reason why drum mags are the hill to die on, why that has to be where the line is, when their constituency is small and their appeal limited.

I understand the logic of not breaking ranks, and it makes sense.

But holding the line is one thing and deciding where to draw it is another. Terrain matters.

As for Form 4s,

They probably weed out certain elements from owning things, including those not right in the head, and who knows, maybe terrorists.

My motivation is, I want to keep what I have, and want my kids to have the same options.

My concern is, a change in politics might require people to come up with rational answers to questions, not emotional ones.

Questions like,

Why are drum mags so damned important?

Added: as a reminder, the VA rally was about showing the legislature that gun owners are responsible, rational. Hence: leave the ANV battle flags at home please, not helpful.

So reasonable questions should be met with reasonable answers,

not name calling.

Reminding me why drum mags matter so much is a reasonable question.

After reading this "rational" substitute Jews in some lines and see a rational from 80 years ago. One can rationalize the destruction of almost anthing/body if said enough times.
Sam