Title: The Election That Could Break America; online -The Atlantic

[togor]

"And it was the Progressives in the 1890s who pushed Initiative and Referendum as a way of breaking the power of moneyed interests and a self-serving political class.

And they're back now aren't they?

[Vern Humphrey]

"One man, one vote" came from the various redistricting cases in the 1960s, the Court said the populations of legislative districts had to be as equal as possible. Many New England towns still practice direct democracy-the Town Meeting, e.g. And it was the Progressives in the 1890s who pushed Initiative and Referendum as a way of breaking the power of moneyed interests and a self-serving political class.
And as the current uproar over the replacement for RBG shows, for many having an appointed SCOTUS that functions as a constitutional convention every time it is in session is their preferred method of government.

The Bishop has never read the Federalist Papers -- and probably doesn't know what they are.

[togor]

Why don't you post them here in one of those long impressive acts people marvel at but don't actually read. And a point of inquiry: do such papers by themselves carry the force of law?

[Roadkingtrax]

Why don't you post them here in one of those long impressive acts people marvel at but don't actually read. And a point of inquiry: do such papers by themselves carry the force of law?

No, they were arguments for/against Constitutional provisions. They do serve as a basis of understanding.

[togor]

No, they were arguments for/against Constitutional provisions. They do serve as a basis of understanding.

Right but WWRD? What Would Republicans Do? The answer in 2020 is ignore the spirit of said papers where it runs contrary to their ambitious, opting for more favorable text elsewhere.

So it's meaningless for Vernon to cite any document really, when he's prepared to drop that document like a stone the moment it fails to serve his purposes. It's the false impression that people value any objective set of rules for their own sake. Rules of course that preserve one's advantage are sacred.

[clintonhater]

More importantly, what is the alternative?

Educated, responsible voters--those with a stake in the long-term future of the country, not social parasites & anarchists looking for something for nothing. Dems LOVE voters who are ignorant, stupid, illiterate, have nothing to loose, as they are the easiest to manipulate.

[S.A. Boggs]

CH confirms the Frum quote with his deliberate distortion of the issue.

If you believe "one man one vote" is bad, then why do you vote at all? You're only making things worse. More importantly, what is the alternative? Dictatorships do not endure without terrible times.

Can't answer this can you Togey!
Sam

[Vern Humphrey]

Educated, responsible voters--those with a stake in the long-term future of the country, not social parasites & anarchists looking for something for nothing. Dems LOVE voters who are ignorant, stupid, illiterate, have nothing to loose, as they are the easiest to manipulate.

When you say, "educated, responsible voters" you're not talking about the Stooges.

[togor]

So young people, CH, right? Collect SS, stop voting. Works for me.

[lyman]

The literalists....

We have what may be called a representative democracy. The foundation is voting. We have chosen over time to make the connection between voters and some officeholders more direct, such as US Senators.

Conservatives loved that in the 1970s and 1980s, when winning elections came easy. Now they want to restrict the ballot and it's reach so as to preserve a grip on power. There is no other word for this besides despotism. The thing people accuse Obama of being, they now openly advocate as the remedy.

maybe you should move to Canada,

you make Wisc sound like a xxxxhole,

here in VA, there are some D's that are only elected because of gerrymandering, redistricted to keep them in office,

by D's, btw,

and try Constitutional Republic,, you know, that thing you should pledge allegiance to ,

[togor]

Nothing you wrote Lyman contradicted my earlier post. No surprise there.

[S.A. Boggs]

Nothing you wrote Lyman contradicted my earlier post. No surprise there.

Togey is unable to UNDERSTAND what is being said due to a mental block. This is sad but this is Togey's reality and his life style. Togey reaches to Google to find/help any argument that he wants to make. Recently I posed an "argument" somewhat obscure to see if Togey would rise to it and sure enough he did. Togey NEEDS to disagree with anyone on anything to gain attention to feed his inner need. As a youth Togey was downgraded by family/peers and now seeks to satisfy this to feed his inner child. His mindset automatically blocks, he cannot see/reason ANYTHING that goes against what he FEELS is his perfect ideation. To do otherwise is to replay the pain of his youth and to degrade his current plateau of superiority provided by Google.
Togey's constant run in's with law enforcement/authority figures taints his outlook on life and feeds his need for superiority. This then feeds his self well being and the cycle continues for his life. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Togey wasn't one of the rioters in Minn. and/or is a YouTube "star" posting his "thought's" to that minority who share this and feed his ego.
Sam

[Vern Humphrey]

Togey is unable to UNDERSTAND what is being said due to a mental block. This is sad but this is Togey's reality and his life style. Togey reaches to Google to find/help any argument that he wants to make. Recently I posed an "argument" somewhat obscure to see if Togey would rise to it and sure enough he did. Togey NEEDS to disagree with anyone on anything to gain attention to feed his inner need. As a youth Togey was downgraded by family/peers and now seeks to satisfy this to feed his inner child. His mindset automatically blocks, he cannot see/reason ANYTHING that goes against what he FEELS is his perfect ideation. To do otherwise is to replay the pain of his youth and to degrade his current plateau of superiority provided by Google.
Togey's constant run in's with law enforcement/authority figures taints his outlook on life and feeds his need for superiority. This then feeds his self well being and the cycle continues for his life. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Togey wasn't one of the rioters in Minn. and/or is a YouTube "star" posting his "thought's" to that minority who share this and feed his ego.
Sam

And as I have said again and again, why do WE have to feed HIS needs?

[rayg]

Do you really actually believe if no one responds to his posts! that he would stop posting!....He is getting paid via the Dem party to post his stuff.. Whether or not some one responds to his posts or not.. he will keep posting his Dem stuff.. Your Idea might work if you could contact every poster and ask them not to respond to his post.. but you know that would be be impossible..as new posters come on all the time...Also as I said he would just change his handle. He won't stop posting...it's his job...

[lyman]

Togey is unable to UNDERSTAND what is being said due to a mental block. This is sad but this is Togey's reality and his life style. Togey reaches to Google to find/help any argument that he wants to make. Recently I posed an "argument" somewhat obscure to see if Togey would rise to it and sure enough he did. Togey NEEDS to disagree with anyone on anything to gain attention to feed his inner need. As a youth Togey was downgraded by family/peers and now seeks to satisfy this to feed his inner child. His mindset automatically blocks, he cannot see/reason ANYTHING that goes against what he FEELS is his perfect ideation. To do otherwise is to replay the pain of his youth and to degrade his current plateau of superiority provided by Google.
Togey's constant run in's with law enforcement/authority figures taints his outlook on life and feeds his need for superiority. This then feeds his self well being and the cycle continues for his life. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Togey wasn't one of the rioters in Minn. and/or is a YouTube "star" posting his "thought's" to that minority who share this and feed his ego.
Sam

he is all that matters, and thinks he is above us other members,

sad , it is,

but is is his miserable world to live in, not mine,