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  • Vern Humphrey
    Administrator - OFC
    • Aug 2009
    • 15875

    #16
    Originally posted by Major Tom
    I also blame Biden! Lack of decisive leadership gave us this 'war'!
    THAT is very true!! Biden even said "a minor incursion" would be acceptable!!

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    • Vern Humphrey
      Administrator - OFC
      • Aug 2009
      • 15875

      #17
      Originally posted by dogtag
      Yes, stop supplying Zelensky with weapons. If we don't the war will
      go on and on and on and may drag more countries in.
      If we stop Zelensky will have to accept a peace deal which will probably
      give Russia the Crimea (which she had anyway) and free the rest of
      Ukraine. Then Zelensky can begin his pleading for bulldozers and cranes.
      And of course, if we stop supplying the Ukraine, Russia will win -- and go on to attack Poland (they've already said that.) That brings Russia to the German border -- and guess what their next move will be?

      If we don't stop them now, in ten years, you'll need a Russian visa to see the Eifel Tower.

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      • Allen
        Moderator
        • Sep 2009
        • 10583

        #18
        Supply the Ukraine but keep our inventories high.

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        • dogtag
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2009
          • 14985

          #19
          Russia is going to win anyway. The war and Zelensky's endless bleating is
          long past tiresome. It wouldn't have started in the first place if Biden hadn't
          nixed peace talks and our VP hadn't gone to Ukraine and blasted out to
          the World's Press that Ukraine was welcome into NATO.
          Those two actions killed any chance of a peaceful resolution.
          So the slaughter goes on and it's becoming "Ho Hum" to most people
          except those who love war and have a maniacal hatred of Russia.

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          • rayg
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2009
            • 7444

            #20
            What Vern and Allen said!

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            • dogtag
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2009
              • 14985

              #21
              Originally posted by Allen
              Supply the Ukraine but keep our inventories high.
              You can't have both. It will take years to replenish what we've given away.
              And remember, our Generals have gone woke which is bad news because
              woke and military don't go well together.
              Wishful thinking doesn't help.

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              • Allen
                Moderator
                • Sep 2009
                • 10583

                #22
                Originally posted by dogtag
                You can't have both. It will take years to replenish what we've given away.
                And remember, our Generals have gone woke which is bad news because
                woke and military don't go well together.
                Wishful thinking doesn't help.
                No, wishful thinking doesn't help. I was just implying we are at the stage where we need to turn all manufacturing over to military needs with our arms being reduced and all the threats we are getting from several countries.

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                • dogtag
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 14985

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Allen
                  No, wishful thinking doesn't help. I was just implying we are at the stage where we need to turn all manufacturing over to military needs with our arms being reduced and all the threats we are getting from several countries.
                  As far as our Military goes with this lot in power,
                  we're up the creek without a paddle.
                  The British Army is a total wreck

                  On another subject: Russia is not the future or present enemy,
                  China IS. Russia hasn't bought up our farmland. China has.
                  Russia hasn't flooded our Universities with their people
                  and even bought the Universities, China has.
                  Biden and his Son aren't in the pocket of Russia, It's China
                  that owns them.

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                  • RED
                    Very Senior Member - OFC
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 11689

                    #24
                    Originally posted by dogtag
                    Yes, stop supplying Zelensky with weapons. If we don't the war will
                    go on and on and on and may drag more countries in.
                    If we stop Zelensky will have to accept a peace deal which will probably
                    give Russia the Crimea (which she had anyway) and free the rest of
                    Ukraine. Then Zelensky can begin his pleading for bulldozers and cranes.
                    Wow! I have never heard this much gingerbread before. You are saying we should drop our support for Z and help P conquer all of Europe.

                    Bottom line it is a choice. End Western Civilization and surrender to a totally dictatorship or use what little we have left to keep a democratic society.

                    I have never liked Trump but prefer him 100X over the options. You seem to prefer Putin and slavery over a Democracy.

                    No body I know wants to surrender to Russia. Please explain why you do?
                    Last edited by RED; 02-12-2023, 04:51.

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                    • dogtag
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 14985

                      #25
                      Originally posted by RED
                      Wow! I have never heard this much gingerbread before. You are saying we should drop our support for Z and help P conquer all of Europe.

                      Bottom line it is a choice. End Western Civilization and surrender to a totally dictatorship or use what little we have left to keep a democratic society.

                      I have never liked Trump but prefer him 100X over the options. You seem to prefer Putin and slavery over a Democracy.

                      No body I know wants to surrender to Russia. Please explain why you do?
                      With Russia's military compromised to the extent that it is,
                      you really think Putin can beat NATO and conquer Europe ?
                      That's funny. Why you people have this maniacal hatred of Russia
                      is baffling especially when China is the real threat.
                      You're looking the wrong way.

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                      • rayg
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 7444

                        #26
                        Originally posted by dogtag
                        Why you people have this maniacal hatred of Russia
                        is baffling especially when China is the real threat.
                        You're looking the wrong way.
                        Russia invaded Ukraine so it don't deserve to be loved! Lol!

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                        • Vern Humphrey
                          Administrator - OFC
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 15875

                          #27
                          Originally posted by dogtag
                          With Russia's military compromised to the extent that it is,
                          you really think Putin can beat NATO and conquer Europe ?
                          That's funny. Why you people have this maniacal hatred of Russia
                          is baffling especially when China is the real threat.
                          You're looking the wrong way.
                          Right now, I'm looking toward the sound of the firing and I see Russia. Stopping Russia does not mean we can't also deal with China. (Having Democrats in office is what prevents us from dealing with China.)

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                          • Allen
                            Moderator
                            • Sep 2009
                            • 10583

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Vern Humphrey
                            Right now, I'm looking toward the sound of the firing and I see Russia. Stopping Russia does not mean we can't also deal with China. (Having Democrats in office is what prevents us from dealing with China.)
                            Depleting our arms will not stop us from dealing with China but sure can cause us to lose.

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                            • Vern Humphrey
                              Administrator - OFC
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 15875

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Allen
                              Depleting our arms will not stop us from dealing with China but sure can cause us to lose.
                              If we fight China it will be an air and sea war. Tanks can't cross the Pacific.

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                              • Allen
                                Moderator
                                • Sep 2009
                                • 10583

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Vern Humphrey
                                If we fight China it will be an air and sea war. Tanks can't cross the Pacific.
                                Well, planes are in the play too as in sending F-16's to the Ukraine. The more we send the less we have.
                                Last edited by Allen; 02-14-2023, 11:48.

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