Epstein

[clintonhater]

So when a young girl is trafficked, she DESERVED it? It's all the VICTIM'S fault?

Not ALL; the culpability of one doesn't negate the culpability of others involved in the same vice. But the girl took the first step by running away, & even before that, she no doubt thought it was thrilling to consort with the lowest scum in her school or neighborhood. You're asserting that a clean, well-behaved, wholesome, girl can simply be TALKED into prostitution?

Sure looks like you've joined the ranks of those who deny the concept of personal responsibility, one of the fundamental tenets of the liberal creed, as Togor can confirm.

[clintonhater]

And this: someone who openly sides with the exploiters of children has no business referencing scripture (your reference to Sodom).

That's rich, coming from a staunch defender of sodomy; or faggotry, queerdom, buggery, if you like those terms better!

[togor]

That's rich, coming from a staunch defender of sodomy; or faggotry, queerdom, buggery, if you like those terms better!

Tapping your anger again? Or just trying to change the subject away from your vile defense of people who sexually exploit children? Gayness isn't my thing, and I guess I'm comfortable enough with my own attraction to adult women that I don't feel the least bit threatened by the subject of homosexuality. Sex between consenting adults of course. Meanwhile you're practically screaming "Clintonhater is a pedophile!" Do you even have a cutoff? Some age below which even you think it becomes vile? Let's ask the Magic 8-Ball: My sources say no. Sheesh.

[togor]

Sure looks like you've joined the ranks of those who deny the concept of personal responsibility, one of the fundamental tenets of the liberal creed, as Togor can confirm.

Why is it so important to sacrifice some of the most vulnerable people there are in society on your alter of personal responsibility? They made one mistake so they're fair game. You know what that sounds like? The lie that someone with a hard drive full of child porn tells themself on those rare moments when they feel a pang of conscience. The kid made the wrong choice. It's their responsibility that it came to this. Not mine for looking.

The Major and Gloria must be spinning in their graves at this one.

[clintonhater]

You know what that sounds like? The lie that someone with a hard drive full of child porn tells themself on those rare moments when they feel a pang of conscience.

You know what that sounds like? The kind of guy who enjoys a hard one up his bung hole or down his throat; all the better if it's non-white.

[lyman]

You know what that sounds like? The kind of guy who enjoys a hard one up his bung hole or down his throat; all the better if it's non-white.

did maus45 hack you account,,, or is it your alter ego?

[togor]

You know what that sounds like? The kind of guy who enjoys a hard one up his bung hole or down his throat; all the better if it's non-white.

LOL, because that sort of sounds like your personal version of hell. Be careful in your thoughts, lest you let the Devil know how he can best torment you.

[lyman]

You know what that sounds like? The kind of guy who enjoys a hard one up his bung hole or down his throat; all the better if it's non-white.

BTW,


do yourself a favor,

turn the computer off,

sit back,

pet the dog, hug the wife, have a beverage,

get a good nights sleep,


maybe things will be better for you in the morning,,

[clintonhater]

did maus45 hack you account,,, or is it your alter ego?

Do you say I have to accept that SOB accusing me of having child porno on my computer without responding in like manner??? This is the SAME hypocritical SOB who was always attacking Red for his ad hominem insults, when HE repeatedly does exactly the same thing!

[S.A. Boggs]

BTW,


do yourself a favor,

turn the computer off,

sit back,

pet the dog, hug the wife, have a beverage,

get a good nights sleep,


maybe things will be better for you in the morning,,

Sound advice!
Sam

[togor]

Do you say I have to accept that SOB accusing me of having child porno on my computer without responding in like manner??? This is the SAME hypocritical SOB who was always attacking Red for his ad hominem insults, when HE repeatedly does exactly the same thing!

Sorry CH, it goes with the territory, if you're going to defend the johns and pimps who exploit these girls. And I didn't call you those things so much as draw the conclusions out loud that are there to be had from your own words. If you don't want people to confuse you for a pedophile with a woman-hating complex, then choose your battles differently. There are plenty of better places to defend the principle of individual accountability in life where you will find general agreement here at the forum (including with me). If all this was about taking a contrary position for its entertainment value, then consider yourself entertained.

[lyman]

Do you say I have to accept that SOB accusing me of having child porno on my computer without responding in like manner??? This is the SAME hypocritical SOB who was always attacking Red for his ad hominem insults, when HE repeatedly does exactly the same thing!

so you think it is OK to break forum rules and act like a child because someone pushed your buttons?

I am guessing you are not 12 and living in mom's basement... correct?

if not, then act like it,

[clintonhater]

so you think it is OK to break forum rules and act like a child because someone pushed your buttons?

What rules? There seem to be none prohibiting ad hominem attacks on the character of other posters--ALWAYS Togor's response to an argument he can't refute logically, such as the several examples from law & history that I referred to in the effort to demonstrate rationally the absurdity of his position. Look at his last post, calling me a pedophile & woman hater; do such remarks conform to any rules? As for his ignorant remark about the Major "turning in his grave," it was HE, the Major, who established the "gloves are off" policy.

[togor]

What rules? There seem to be none prohibiting ad hominem attacks on the character of other posters--ALWAYS Togor's response to an argument he can't refute logically, such as the several examples from law & history that I referred to in the effort to demonstrate rationally the absurdity of his position. Look at his last post, calling me a pedophile & woman hater; do such remarks conform to any rules? As for his ignorant remark about the Major "turning in his grave," it was HE, the Major, who established the "gloves are off" policy.

CH you preach accountability for one's actions in the case of exploited minors, but not for septuagenarians who step in it in online forums? That's rich. There is nothing absurd about protecting children from sexual exploitation, and there is simply no acceptable rationalization for it in our society. If you go to Afghanistan, it's a different story. The fact that you cannot comprehend this is your problem, not anyone else's. Unless you act on it, in which case it is society's problem too. If you're against the exploitation of these young people, then start posting like it and we'll get the message.

[clintonhater]

\There is nothing absurd about protecting children from sexual exploitation, and there is simply no acceptable rationalization for it in our society.

No, There's nothing absurd about protecting children from any kind of exploitation. But when that definition has been expanded to include the women who throughout history have, LEGALLY and entirely within their cultural norms, become wives & mothers, it's a demonstrably absurd definition.