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  • Roadkingtrax
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2010
    • 7835

    #31
    Big swing, and a miss.

    Sam must be sucking on the dark chocolate again and inventing new narratives to combat.
    Last edited by Roadkingtrax; 07-20-2019, 06:19.
    "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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    • clintonhater
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2015
      • 5220

      #32
      Originally posted by togor
      We could leave it to the locals to go to counseling and get their sh*t together instead of bothering the rest of us with their pill problem, but that's not really the conversation, is it?
      Unfortunately not. Why should they NOT blame their "pill problem" on everybody EXCEPT themselves when the Liberal establishment is telling them "it's not YOUR fault, those pills were FORCED on you by the evil empire of drug makers." Personal responsibility for one's actions? Outlawed by the Supreme Court, wasn't it?

      Naturally, the army of ambulance chasers in this country, always dreaming of another killing like the "tobacco settlement," aren't going to disagree.

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      • togor
        Banned
        • Nov 2009
        • 17610

        #33
        Boggs you're the man with real street experience with blacks so tell me what I wrote that is wrong. Do they not know that black neighborhoods are often violent? Or that whites can be less than thrilled at the prospect of them moving to white areas to get away from the violence? Or that the gun trade in those black neighborhoods is As Easy As Pie? BTW I access this site from my mobile phone, which explains the bales of typos at times. Seems to me like you can't refute the message so you go after the messenger. Well the message stands regardless.
        Last edited by togor; 07-20-2019, 06:28.

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        • clintonhater
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2015
          • 5220

          #34
          Originally posted by togor
          But certainly the ease with which gang bangers can re-supply with arms doesn't help. Sure, I suppose we can leave the honest people in those areas to their fate.
          In Chicago, NYC, DC, etc., their fate is sealed by laws which prohibit the "honest people" from arming themselves for their own defense.

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          • S.A. Boggs
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2009
            • 8579

            #35
            Originally posted by togor
            Boggs you're the man with real street experience with blacks so tell me what I wrote that is wrong. Do they not know that black neighborhoods are often violent? Or that whites can be less than thrilled at the prospect of them moving to white areas to get away from the violence? Or that the gun trade in those black neighborhoods is As Easy As Pie? BTW I access this site from my mobile phone, which explains the bales of typos at times. Seems to me like you can't refute the message so you go after the messenger. Well the message stands regardless.
            Nice try Tovarich, MY STATEMENT on your Russian meddling stands.
            Sam

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            • lyman
              Administrator - OFC
              • Aug 2009
              • 11296

              #36
              Originally posted by lyman
              wait,,,,


              what???

              certain whites refuse to change what gun laws?
              waiting on togor to answer,,,

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              • Vern Humphrey
                Administrator - OFC
                • Aug 2009
                • 15875

                #37
                Originally posted by lyman
                waiting on togor to answer,,,
                Why?

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                • lyman
                  Administrator - OFC
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 11296

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Vern Humphrey
                  Why?
                  sometimes comments need to be explained,


                  and wondering if he will ignore it,,

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                  • S.A. Boggs
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 8579

                    #39
                    Originally posted by lyman
                    sometimes comments need to be explained,


                    and wondering if he will ignore it,,
                    It would make interesting reading if believable.
                    Sam

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                    • togor
                      Banned
                      • Nov 2009
                      • 17610

                      #40
                      Originally posted by lyman
                      waiting on togor to answer,,,
                      Oh gee another Lyman question.

                      This one is easy. Universal background checks as part of much more rigorous enforcement of gun commerce. Some states have it, but neighboring states do not. A gang banger can cross the state line and do FTF sales outside of Illinois, and the seller on the face of it is not breaking any laws. Now if that seller does it with 100 guns a year, eventually the BATFE might catch on that the guy is acting like an unlicensed dealer. But these prosecutions are time-consuming and not often done. Every crime gun starts out shiny and new and leaves the factory legally. We could do a much better job of regulating the commerce in guns in this country, with the purpose of keeping them out of illegal hands. But doing this lacks political support. And I'm not lobbying for it now. But people in cities who think too many guns are the problem ARE.

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                      Originally posted by Vern Humphrey
                      Why?
                      LOL, from the guy who doesn't read my posts. How would he know one way or the other?
                      Last edited by togor; 07-21-2019, 04:41.

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                      • togor
                        Banned
                        • Nov 2009
                        • 17610

                        #41
                        But let's bring it back to the beauty princess who tweeted, deleted, and lost her crown. The guns and opioids that afflict black neighborhoods aren't produced there. They get made somewhere else and get brought there for profit. Violence, addiction, the word cycle is often used in conjunction. Yes people have to get their sh*t together, but that's harder if others are trying to hold them back.
                        Last edited by togor; 07-21-2019, 04:50.

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                        • PWC
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 1386

                          #42
                          Why do you people continue to fall for being baited and responding and quoting them? You will never argue them to understanding. Let them go......

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                          • lyman
                            Administrator - OFC
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 11296

                            #43
                            Originally posted by togor
                            Oh gee another Lyman question.

                            This one is easy. Universal background checks as part of much more rigorous enforcement of gun commerce. Some states have it, but neighboring states do not. A gang banger can cross the state line and do FTF sales outside of Illinois, and the seller on the face of it is not breaking any laws. Now if that seller does it with 100 guns a year, eventually the BATFE might catch on that the guy is acting like an unlicensed dealer. But these prosecutions are time-consuming and not often done. Every crime gun starts out shiny and new and leaves the factory legally. We could do a much better job of regulating the commerce in guns in this country, with the purpose of keeping them out of illegal hands. But doing this lacks political support. And I'm not lobbying for it now. But people in cities who think too many guns are the problem ARE.

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                            ?
                            wow,

                            you know it is already illegal to buy a handgun, from a dealer or not, across state lines, right? FTF or not,,,

                            supposed to go thru a dealer, by law, and you have to be a resident of that state

                            so what would that Universal BGC do to prevent that?



                            we have a ton of regulations to prevent those sales, however as you may know, if someone wants a thing, they can find a way to get a thing,

                            how about working on the issues that cause the gang banger to exist, vs working on ways to restrict your, and my, rights to buy a product,


                            BTW, I am a FFL\SOT, not someone who gets my firearms legality info from Vox, NBC, or WaPo

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                            • togor
                              Banned
                              • Nov 2009
                              • 17610

                              #44
                              Lyman,

                              As you said....buy.

                              Not sell. If a buyer is willing to cross state lines to a state where paperwork-free FTF transactions between strangers are legal, and finds a seller who will operate on a no-questions-asked basis, then a sale happens.

                              So spell it out for me....where do those gang banger guns in Chicago come from, and how do they get there? They're not all burglary items. Discriminating gangstas don't just want to pick through someone else's stuff.

                              The argument is that it is logistically impossible to clamp down on the gun trade, but we know that really isn't true. We just don't want to.

                              Think airline travel. These days you can go anywhere you want in the USA if you can afford the ticket, but if you want to get on the plane, you better have the right ID. For international travel, they take photographic biometrics now on every traveller at passport control. If someone gets on a "bad" list, then they're not flying. And fake IDs for airline travel are tough.

                              All of this is me just answering Vernon's question. And the answer isn't that nothing will work. The answer is we just don't want to. That's the meat of it and everything else is just BS.
                              Last edited by togor; 07-21-2019, 09:35.

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                              • S.A. Boggs
                                Senior Member
                                • Aug 2009
                                • 8579

                                #45
                                Originally posted by lyman
                                wow,

                                you know it is already illegal to buy a handgun, from a dealer or not, across state lines, right? FTF or not,,,

                                supposed to go thru a dealer, by law, and you have to be a resident of that state

                                so what would that Universal BGC do to prevent that?



                                we have a ton of regulations to prevent those sales, however as you may know, if someone wants a thing, they can find a way to get a thing,

                                how about working on the issues that cause the gang banger to exist, vs working on ways to restrict your, and my, rights to buy a product,


                                BTW, I am a FFL\SOT, not someone who gets my firearms legality info from Vox, NBC, or WaPo
                                Lyman, you will get more honesty from a shoplifter then from Togor, Russian agents are trained to lie!
                                Sam

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